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    Pengcab had right to vote because of some Province have big badminton population and contribution (Province in Java).
    If only Pengda who has right to vote, how is distribution number of votes every province ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    Sutiyoso didn't resign. His term will just end in a few months... just like George W. Bush... INA squad Pelatnas squad reduced to 30? Really? That would be quite a change... Well, if they don't have enough money, then yeah, reduce the size of the main team thus reducing the funds needed... In business, it is called 'downsizing'...
    Or call it "restructuring" of the Pelatnas to get rid of all the "fats"

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    From Media Indonesia:
    Sekretarias Pengprov PBSI Sumut, Syari Arwan mengatakan di Medan, Selasa, para pemain Indonesia diharapkan bisa mengobati kekecewaan sebagian rakyat di negeri ini yang kurang puas atas perolehan medali tim Indonesia pada Olimpiade Beijing, Cina baru-baru ini.

    "Perolehan medali atau prestasi yang dicapai putra-putri terbaik bangsa di olimpiade itu kurang menggembirakan," katanya.


    What is this guy talking abt????

    I thought most fans here are pretty satisfied with 1 Gold, 1 Silver and 1 Bronzes we got in Beijing 2008, more than what we won in Athens 2004 anyway (1 Gold and 2 Bronzes). Our target were in MD and XD and we had 2 pairs securing Final placings. We also had a bonus of Maria Kristin winning a bronze. Still not satisfied and disappointed with the performances? OMG....

    Another sign that some ppl higher-up in PBSI simply don't have a clue what are they talking abt....geez....

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    I think it's human nature: never satisfied.

    You got 1 gold, you want 2. And so on, and so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    From Media Indonesia:
    Sekretarias Pengprov PBSI Sumut, Syari Arwan mengatakan di Medan, Selasa, para pemain Indonesia diharapkan bisa mengobati kekecewaan sebagian rakyat di negeri ini yang kurang puas atas perolehan medali tim Indonesia pada Olimpiade Beijing, Cina baru-baru ini.

    "Perolehan medali atau prestasi yang dicapai putra-putri terbaik bangsa di olimpiade itu kurang menggembirakan," katanya.


    What is this guy talking abt????

    I thought most fans here are pretty satisfied with 1 Gold, 1 Silver and 1 Bronzes we got in Beijing 2008, more than what we won in Athens 2004 anyway (1 Gold and 2 Bronzes). Our target were in MD and XD and we had 2 pairs securing Final placings. We also had a bonus of Maria Kristin winning a bronze. Still not satisfied and disappointed with the performances? OMG....

    Another sign that some ppl higher-up in PBSI simply don't have a clue what are they talking abt....geez....

    This is not first time..mostly PENGDAs just know how to complain..asking for fund but those funds were not used properly to train their own players......sometimes...you feel you want to slap their faces.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    This is not first time..mostly PENGDAs just know how to complain..asking for fund but those funds were not used properly to train their own players......sometimes...you feel you want to slap their faces.......
    true that!

    ...but maybe, there's no harm in pushing our players further by complaining excessively...perhaps its time for INA to target bigger goals instead of getting one or two golds from one or two sports only...the fact that the single gold medal was delivered through badminton says it all...its the only sport that we can actually compete with players world wide, we did well!...pengda's, pengcab's and so on should file their complaints toward other sports besides badminton that had failed to deliver medals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    Pengcab had right to vote because of some Province have big badminton population and contribution (Province in Java).
    If only Pengda who has right to vote, how is distribution number of votes every province ?
    Please check with the PBSI people you know, Sandy... ever since the new AD/ART of 2005, 1 Pengda get one vote. There are 32 Pengda-s at this time. So, 32 total votes. Pengcab does not get to vote at that level.

    As for the size of the badminton population... even though we all pretty much know that Java island has more players than other islands, but there is no official data to support this... We have not done any census in recent memory... nor do we have any 'active badminton player' member data... [unlike the French Badminton Association and Badminton England]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    I think it's human nature: never satisfied.

    You got 1 gold, you want 2. And so on, and so on...
    That's true... After 1 pretty wife, then how about 2 or 3?

    Quote Originally Posted by nick.h View Post
    true that!
    pengda's, pengcab's and so on should file their complaints toward other sports besides badminton that had failed to deliver medals
    These Pengda and Pengcab that we are talking about are Pengda PBSI and Pengcab PBSI, not KONI... Thus, they can only talk about badminton...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    This is not first time..mostly PENGDAs just know how to complain..asking for fund but those funds were not used properly to train their own players......sometimes...you feel you want to slap their faces.......
    Waaa... even after all those years in the US, you still know INA badminton world very well, Hau-ge... even to the complaining behaviour of our Pengda-s... You're actually absolutely correct about all this.

    Note: they are annoying, but they are a fact of life in PBSI...

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    Alright, now we have:
    Icuk, an ex-national shuttler;
    Gen. Djoko Santoso, Commander-in-Chief of INA Armed Forces ;

    Who's next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    That's true... After 1 pretty wife, then how about 2 or 3?
    More golds = more glory.
    More wives = er... more trouble?

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    I got this from Media Indonesia:

    Ganda Putri masih akan Dirombak
    Penulis : Thalatie Yani
    JAKARTA--MI: Ganda putri baru masih akan alami perombakan, bila hasil di tiga turnamen tidak bagus. Ada tiga pasangan yang mengalami perubahan di ganda putri.

    Mereka ialah Greysia Poli'i/Nitya Krisinda Maheswari, Jo Novita/Rani Mundiasti dan Endang Nursugianti/Lita Nurlita. Tiga ganda itu akan tampil di China Taipei Grand Prix Gold di Taiwan (9-14 September), Jepang Super Series (16-21 September) dan China Master Super Series (23-28 September).

    "Kepastian pasangan baru masih melihat hasil tiga turnamen, jika tidak cocok maka akan dirombak lagi," ujar pelatih ganda putri Aryono Miranat usai sesi latihan di pelatnas PBSI Cipayung, Jakarta, Kamis (4/9).

    Perombakan itu menurut kepala sub bidang Pelatnas Christian Hadinata dilakukan untuk persiapan Olimpiade London 2012. Oleh karena itu dicari kombinasi baru seperti Greysia/Nitya yang masih muda.

    "Dasar perombakan itu untuk persiapan awal untuk Olimpiade 2012. Karena bulu tangkis masih menjadi andalan merebut medali pada turnamen multievent," ujar Christian. "Kita siapkan dari sekarang agar jangan terburu-buru dan bingung pas tiba waktunya."

    Selain melakukan perombakan di ganda, pemberian kesempatan tampil di turnamen luar negeri untuk pemain muda akan diperbanyak. Apalagi di tunggal putra, faktor usia akan sangat berpengaruh."Titik beratnya ialah anak muda banyak diberi kesempatan.
    Pelatih bisa memilih anak yang dipersiapkan untuk 2012. Tapi yang penting kualitas pemain bukan kuantitas," ungkap Christian.Sedangkan untuk pasangan juara Olimpiade Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan, ujar Christian masih akan dipertahankan.

    Diharapkan mereka dapat mengulang sukses di 2012. "Selama mereka tidak sakit atau cedera tetap sehat, jam terbang mereka bisa lebih panjang," ungkap Christian. (Rin/OL-02)

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    Apparently, if those pairs don't show good result, more experiment will be conducted.
    And they'll send more youngsters into int'l tourneys, esp. MS.

    Good to hear that. Just make sure they have enough cash.
    Last edited by Jagdpanther; 09-04-2008 at 11:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    Alright, now we have:
    Icuk, an ex-national shuttler;
    Gen. Djoko Santoso, Commander-in-Chief of INA Armed Forces ;

    Who's next?


    More golds = more glory.
    More wives = er... more trouble?

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    I got this from Media Indonesia:

    Ganda Putri masih akan Dirombak
    Penulis : Thalatie Yani
    JAKARTA--MI: Ganda putri baru masih akan alami perombakan, bila hasil di tiga turnamen tidak bagus. Ada tiga pasangan yang mengalami perubahan di ganda putri.

    Mereka ialah Greysia Poli'i/Nitya Krisinda Maheswari, Jo Novita/Rani Mundiasti dan Endang Nursugianti/Lita Nurlita. Tiga ganda itu akan tampil di China Taipei Grand Prix Gold di Taiwan (9-14 September), Jepang Super Series (16-21 September) dan China Master Super Series (23-28 September).

    "Kepastian pasangan baru masih melihat hasil tiga turnamen, jika tidak cocok maka akan dirombak lagi," ujar pelatih ganda putri Aryono Miranat usai sesi latihan di pelatnas PBSI Cipayung, Jakarta, Kamis (4/9).

    Perombakan itu menurut kepala sub bidang Pelatnas Christian Hadinata dilakukan untuk persiapan Olimpiade London 2012. Oleh karena itu dicari kombinasi baru seperti Greysia/Nitya yang masih muda.

    "Dasar perombakan itu untuk persiapan awal untuk Olimpiade 2012. Karena bulu tangkis masih menjadi andalan merebut medali pada turnamen multievent," ujar Christian. "Kita siapkan dari sekarang agar jangan terburu-buru dan bingung pas tiba waktunya."

    Selain melakukan perombakan di ganda, pemberian kesempatan tampil di turnamen luar negeri untuk pemain muda akan diperbanyak. Apalagi di tunggal putra, faktor usia akan sangat berpengaruh."Titik beratnya ialah anak muda banyak diberi kesempatan.
    Pelatih bisa memilih anak yang dipersiapkan untuk 2012. Tapi yang penting kualitas pemain bukan kuantitas," ungkap Christian.Sedangkan untuk pasangan juara Olimpiade Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan, ujar Christian masih akan dipertahankan.

    Diharapkan mereka dapat mengulang sukses di 2012. "Selama mereka tidak sakit atau cedera tetap sehat, jam terbang mereka bisa lebih panjang," ungkap Christian. (Rin/OL-02)

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    Apparently, if those pairs don't show good result, more experiment will be conducted.
    And they'll send more youngsters into int'l tourneys, esp. MS.

    Good to hear that. Just make sure they have enough cash.
    hopes this is not lips service

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post

    Ganda Putri masih akan Dirombak
    Penulis : Thalatie Yani
    JAKARTA--MI: Ganda putri baru masih akan alami perombakan, bila hasil di tiga turnamen tidak bagus. Ada tiga pasangan yang mengalami perubahan di ganda putri.

    Mereka ialah Greysia Poli'i/Nitya Krisinda Maheswari, Jo Novita/Rani Mundiasti dan Endang Nursugianti/Lita Nurlita. Tiga ganda itu akan tampil di China Taipei Grand Prix Gold di Taiwan (9-14 September), Jepang Super Series (16-21 September) dan China Master Super Series (23-28 September).

    "Kepastian pasangan baru masih melihat hasil tiga turnamen, jika tidak cocok maka akan dirombak lagi," ujar pelatih ganda putri Aryono Miranat usai sesi latihan di pelatnas PBSI Cipayung, Jakarta, Kamis (4/9).

    Perombakan itu menurut kepala sub bidang Pelatnas Christian Hadinata dilakukan untuk persiapan Olimpiade London 2012. Oleh karena itu dicari kombinasi baru seperti Greysia/Nitya yang masih muda.
    It's long-term preparation to reshuffle and finally hoped could produce good WD pair for London 2012 goal. As we know INA is still missing Olympic medal from WD discipline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    More golds = more glory.
    More wives = er... more trouble?
    Maybe... Got to try it first to know for sure...

    Quote Originally Posted by CLELY View Post
    It's long-term preparation to reshuffle and finally hoped could produce good WD pair for London 2012 goal. As we know INA is still missing Olympic medal from WD discipline.
    Yes, INA never got any medal from WD... And we still don't have a gold from XD...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    Waaa... even after all those years in the US, you still know INA badminton world very well, Hau-ge... even to the complaining behaviour of our Pengda-s... You're actually absolutely correct about all this.

    Note: they are annoying, but they are a fact of life in PBSI...
    ....remember those news/inputs during last year's meeting in SOLO?
    Also Ricky has a backing that is willingly to build nice stadium for PENGDA ( mostly for badminton)....guess what? they wanted more money instead....whats the hell??....PENGDA will not provide land for nice stadium......I bet that same complains will be addressed in next meeting....what a waste and ineffective way we build our INA badminton....!

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    ....remember those news/inputs during last year's meeting in SOLO?
    Also Ricky has a backing that is willingly to build nice stadium for PENGDA ( mostly for badminton)....guess what? they wanted more money instead....whats the hell??....PENGDA will not provide land for nice stadium......I bet that same complains will be addressed in next meeting....what a waste and ineffective way we build our INA badminton....!
    Ha ha ha...

    By the way, Hau-ge, the forces of good are well on the way to winning over the dark side... the end-battle will arrive soon... After that, we hope a new era will start... this new era may not be the most glorious or the most glamorous, but it might be the most crucial in laying strong foundations for all of us...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    Ha ha ha...

    By the way, Hau-ge, the forces of good are well on the way to winning over the dark side... the end-battle will arrive soon... After that, we hope a new era will start... this new era may not be the most glorious or the most glamorous, but it might be the most crucial in laying strong foundations for all of us...
    I hope ....so I will be motivated to cheer them more in tournaments..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    Ha ha ha...

    By the way, Hau-ge, the forces of good are well on the way to winning over the dark side... the end-battle will arrive soon... After that, we hope a new era will start... this new era may not be the most glorious or the most glamorous, but it might be the most crucial in laying strong foundations for all of us...
    Just read Icuk's self nomination of himself in Bola, claiming he got support from some 25 Provinces.....I simply wanna puke after reading that disgusting news

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Just read Icuk's self nomination of himself in Bola, claiming he got support from some 25 Provinces.....I simply wanna puke after reading that disgusting news
    Not just you... but virtually everybody who is decent-minded in INA badminton feel the same way... I think the general concensus is that: if Icuk is selected as the new PBSI head, all the good people, coaches, and players will most probably quit being involved in PBSI...

    In recent speeches, Icuk said that when he is the PBSI head, he will change the current power injustice, which include:
    - domination of PB. Tangkas in the coaching staff....
    - Most of the coaches and players are either not from the correct race or correct religion... [the usual pre-reformation hate-profiling]

    So, he is openly targeting:
    Lius Pongoh, Christian Hadinata, Hendrawan, Marleve Mainaky, Richard Mainaky, Aryono Minarat, Mulyo, etc. And in the end will probably target the players that fit his hate-profile: Simon Santoso, Maria Kristin, Nova Widianto, Hendra Setiawan, Lily Natsir, Yonathan Suryatama, Vita Marissa, Greysia Polii, etc.
    Last edited by Krisna; 09-06-2008 at 12:19 AM.

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