ANNOUNCEMENT : new look for BC

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 07:14 AM

I like the idea of ultra-strict coding -- so that if you make a syntax error, the whole thing breaks That way, everyone would be forced to correct their mistakes.

It's a fanciful, code-geek dream. It's not going to happen, however much I'd like it to -- not until WYSIWYG programs generate valid code by default.

But I validate my code anyway. Okay, so the HTML 4.01 validator won't check for nuances such as closing <p> and <li> tags. Big deal. I write them anyway, and if I miss one it's hardly the end of the world.

Just remember that if XHTML is served with a MIME type of "text/html", then it is no longer XHTML.

On the whole, I agree with Anne van Kesteren on the merits of XHTML:
XHTML is invalid HTML.

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 07:43 AM

This page is also good on the reality of XHTML: http://webkit.org/blog/?p=68

All those “Valid XHTML 1.0!” links on the web are really saying “Invalid HTML 4.01!

Also, Mozilla doesn't like XHTML too much: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/web-deve...html#xhtmldiff

In versions prior to Gecko 1.9/Firefox 3, the document is not loaded and rendered incrementally. That is, the document is displayed only after the entire document has been received and parsed.

**wilfredlgf** · 05-30-2007, 08:01 AM

On the matter of merits and demerits of XHTML, I have to mention that XHTML self-educates by pointing out how tags are properly used as most newbies (me included) began learning web coding by imitating/copying/studying codes from other sites, great majority which aren't properly written eg. no closing tags. HTML care little if not whether they existed or not.

Still, the regimented style of coding brought about by XHTML does help to make it clearer and cleaner - try debugging a piece of web code when you don't know where the elements start and stop. It's like doing C++ without the closing brackets or semicolon!

**wilfredlgf** · 05-30-2007, 08:05 AM

I rue lack of the possibilities of a joker coming in here and saying:

"Get a room, you two geeks".

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

I rue lack of the possibilities of a joker coming in here and saying:

"Get a room, you two geeks".

Too late now, you beat them to it

I agree with all your points about XHTML. The purist in me wants to use XHTML. The purist in me feels that XHTML is The One True Way. The purist in me lusts after birch-rod beatings from a stricter master.

But the web developer in me says, "Don't be a fool. Web design is not an aesthetic ideal; it's not about being clever for the sake of being clever. Web design is about making sites work."

**wilfredlgf** · 05-30-2007, 08:21 AM

Screw validation and embrace the graphical utopia that is Frontpage and Dreamweaver!

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

Screw validation and embrace the graphical utopia that is Frontpage and Dreamweaver!

Erk!

They don't make sites that work; they just make sites that appear to work.

Similarly...screw Frontpage and Dreamweaver, and embrace the graphical supernova that is Photoshop. Make the website one big image, and every browser will display it perfectly!

**wilfredlgf** · 05-30-2007, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Gollum

Erk!

They don't make sites that work; they just make sites that appear to work.

But we digress...

Nice vertical green bar.

**azabaz_ipoh** · 05-31-2007, 01:26 AM

i am glad there's self admitted geeks here. not that i dont love em. in fact i need you guys to answer one of my questions. does the search option not working for everybody or is it just me? because if everybody else have no problem with the search option, maybe i need to see what my computer problem is. sorry to be a bother.

**ctjcad** · 05-31-2007, 01:33 AM

..at least on my end..what specifically are you looking for or not seeing??..

**phaarix** · 05-31-2007, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Gollum

Similarly...screw Frontpage and Dreamweaver, and embrace the graphical supernova that is Photoshop. Make the website one big image, and every browser will display it perfectly!

That's almost what I do

. I create one big design in Photoshop, then when it's finished I cut/slice it up as necessary. My two main website tools are Photoshop and Notepad

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**azabaz_ipoh** · 05-31-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

..at least on my end..what specifically are you looking for or not seeing??..

whenever i click on the search option, nothing came out. like it's hanged or something. but nothing came out. usually, before, when i clicked on the search option, a pop out that shows an small area where i can type in what i want to search. now, nothing comes out at all.

**ctjcad** · 05-31-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by azabaz_ipoh

whenever i click on the search option, nothing came out. like it's hanged or something. but nothing came out. usually, before, when i clicked on the search option, a pop out that shows an small area where i can type in what i want to search. now, nothing comes out at all.

..what browser are you using??

..I'm, strictly, using the latest IExplorer (6.0) both at home & work...When i click the Search button, it pops out that small search box..

**azabaz_ipoh** · 05-31-2007, 10:07 PM

errr.... i know i use internet explorer but i have no idea what version it is. is there a difference? i think, most probably, i am using the IE 7.

**wilfredlgf** · 05-31-2007, 10:16 PM

Is Javascript enabled on your browser?

I just did a test by turning it off and the small area doesn't pop up - it jumps straight to the search page.

Works fine for me.

**azabaz_ipoh** · 05-31-2007, 10:17 PM

i tried using mozilla firefox. that one worked fine. but i like the look and feel of the IE i am using now. *sigh* do i have to use mozilla from now on?