ANNOUNCEMENT : new look for BC

***kwun*** · 05-28-2007, 12:16 AM

thanks guys. i am quite happy with the results and that makes the work much more enjoyable!

**phaarix** · 05-28-2007, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by kwun

thanks guys. i am quite happy with the results and that makes the work much more enjoyable!

That's what I love about design. The sense of pride you get (most of the time) in the final result

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**counterfeit** · 05-28-2007, 07:15 AM

Am I the only one not to like this new look?!
I think that a change was necessary but the association of these colours is rather strange.

And you can remove the header image, because we can see it.
But I know it's a hard job so congratulations !

**ixory** · 05-28-2007, 08:06 PM

My first impression..am i at badmintoncental???

..surprised with the changes after not log on for several days but it's nice..good job kwun..

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**phaarix** · 05-28-2007, 10:23 PM

In my opinion nine times out of ten, unless a website is stretched to fill the whole window, it looks better centered. I also think the ads should be down the right hand side. Those are really the two major things for me (also the quick reply box still needs to be grey to suit the rest of the site.

**apache7175** · 05-29-2007, 06:17 AM

Wow !!! It certainly looks much better !!!!
Good work !!!

**j_e_thompson** · 05-29-2007, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by apache7175

Wow !!! It certainly looks much better !!!!
Good work !!!

Couldn't have said it better myself!

**susanong** · 05-29-2007, 11:24 AM

great new look

thanks kwun

looks nice using IE ver 7.0.5730.11
the only problem i have is i cant use search

nothing came out when i click
pls help, thanks a million !

***drifit*** · 05-29-2007, 11:32 AM

i am using mozilla firefox 2.0.0.3 and the search is ok.

**Gollum** · 05-29-2007, 12:26 PM

Kwun,

If you would like to centre the page, just add this at the end of your stylesheet:

#fullheightcontainer {
margin: 0 auto;
}

I've tested it (IE6, IE7, and FF2) on your site and it works. Strangely, nothing happens in Opera, but that hardly matters. IE5 never gets this right, but it won't be harmed either.

BTW -- hacky, hacky stylesheet

Beware the allure of CSS hacks. They are fiends in disguise. Bewaaaaare!

**azabaz_ipoh** · 05-29-2007, 08:50 PM

so, the search option still down huh? had a jolly good time browsing manually through the various topics. found some topics i never read before. so there is a silver lining.... he he he he

**wilfredlgf** · 05-29-2007, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Gollum

Kwun,

If you would like to centre the page, just add this at the end of your stylesheet:

#fullheightcontainer {
margin: 0 auto;
}

I've tested it (IE6, IE7, and FF2) on your site and it works. Strangely, nothing happens in Opera, but that hardly matters. IE5 never gets this right, but it won't be harmed either.

I don't think 'auto' works with IE6, does it? Not at least what I read and tested.

One hack I know of is to use

Code:

text-align:center;

to centre all elements into the page, then

Code:

text-align:left;

for all elements in the DIV itself, provided all the boxes are DIVs, not tables.

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

I don't think 'auto' works with IE6, does it? Not at least what I read and tested.

One hack I know of is to use

Code:

text-align:center;

to centre all elements into the page, then

Code:

text-align:left;

for all elements in the DIV itself, provided all the boxes are DIVs, not tables.

I'll say again: I tested it for BC, and it worked

Yes, "auto margins" do work with IE6. They fail in IE5, for which the hack you mention is necessary.

They only fail if IE6 is in quirks mode -- that is, it's behaving as IE5. Kwun has declared a correct Doctype, so IE6 is in standards compliant mode.

And I knew it would work before I even looked at his code, because my browser tells me whether a site is in standards compliant mode or quirks mode

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 03:28 AM

By the way, wilfredlgf --

If you are making websites in quirks mode, I highly recommend you change. IE6 is bad enough without using the IE5 layout/rendering engine.

Fix your site with the right DOCTYPE!

**wilfredlgf** · 05-30-2007, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Gollum

By the way, wilfredlgf --

If you are making websites in quirks mode, I highly recommend you change. IE6 is bad enough without using the IE5 layout/rendering engine.

Fix your site with the right DOCTYPE!

Nay, I did it with the proper DOCTYPE - in fact I can't remember how many times I went to ALA to look for the correct notation.

Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

I blame the Mammons!

**Gollum** · 05-30-2007, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

Nay, I did it with the proper DOCTYPE - in fact I can't remember how many times I went to ALA to look for the correct notation.

Hmm, that's strange

If you use Firefox, the excellent webdev extension indicates whether a site is in standards or quirks mode.

I've been using auto margins for ages with no problems in IE6/Win

I keep the text-align hack for IE5 only.

**Edit**

I think I found your problem.

Doctype switching depends on which doctypes the browser recognises. If you are using XHTML Trans. with an XML declaration, then it appears that IE6 will render in quirks mode.

See this page for details: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/

Frankly, I can't see a good reason for using XHTML anyway, given that IE doesn't support the correct MIME type. It's just asking for headaches

Unless you need to incorporate another markup module such as MathML, XHTML currently does nothing better than HTML.

I use good old HTML 4.01. It doesn't have that sexy "X" in front, but in all other respects it works just as well.

**wilfredlgf** · 05-30-2007, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Gollum

Frankly, I can't see a good reason for using XHTML anyway, given that IE doesn't support the correct MIME type. It's just asking for headaches

Unless you need to incorporate another markup module such as MathML, XHTML currently does nothing better than HTML.

I use good old HTML 4.01. It doesn't have that sexy "X" in front, but in all other respects it works just as well.

I was wondering about that myself a long while ago but one of the really important features of XHTML is the 'portability' of the code, making it readable in all standard devices.

Either way, XHTML does have some advantages - the most important being that people would care to code it properly albeit a little stricter and possibly lengthier eg. target="_blank" getting depreciated.

So in this case, neither you and I were wrong - it's just the browser being improperly programmed to parse the code. I just happened to stumble upon XHTML when the boss asked me to redesign the company's webpage.

Don't get me started on IE's CSS support.

Still,

would look pretty sexy on a website as much as the ISO series are on an industrial brochure and namecard, yes?