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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    On defensive a lot depends on the lady. In a side by side situation the lady is usually the target. It would be ideal if the lady could return the shots to the baseline or counter-attack and moving forward whenever the situation allows. When she is around the service line she will then be able to block the shots and we have again a front/back formation. Here I would say the lady is the determinant factor on how the team play.

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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    defend is diagonal. the lady at the front, to one side, and the guy at mid court on the other side. the lady is always position on the other side of the shuttle, so when an attacking shot comes cross court, she has more time to react.

    this way, she will be at the front of the net all the time, returning all shots upper hand, it is very hard to attack her that way.

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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    This is traditional thinking.

    But I notice that top class mxd have the ladies droppping back away from the net in a diagonal line when defending.

    What seems to be the case is......can the lady defend, and can she turn that defense into attacking position?

    If a clear is hit to the ladies side, the men always take the shot unless the shutle goes right into the corner wheras then the lady takes it...

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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    at our amateur level, unless the woman is strong, it is difficult to do a side defense. the woman will be targeted and the point is lost easily.

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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    Viver, I agree with this perfectly - as my coach told me almost exactly the same thing a few days ago, and I found this really useful in practical game play.

    However I got one question - if the opponent start with a high shot to the lady (the lady is force to react with a start shot), then even the lady returns the shuttle with a drop shot the net, the man should cover the front, right ? Then it becomes difficult to switch back to the "lady-front-man-back" position. Any tips on dealing with such situation ?

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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    Ricky,
    I guess you heard about the first 3 shots theory. How the game develops is dependent on these first 3 shots. In a situation when the lady is pushed to the back court a lot depends on her skills then:
    - ideally is if she has a good smash she can try to attack the opposing lady player or whoever is more exposed and man can cover the net;
    - if she excels in push/drives she can use smashes (flatter) and try to force opponents into push/drives situations where she can move forward gradually. Man cover net initially and moves to the side (gradually) as the lady moves forward;
    - same result could also be achieved with fast drops but that depends the man capability to cover the net and going back quickly;
    - if she has good defense she could just return with a clear and stay side-by-side
    All the above are just suggestions that came to my mind now. All depends the quality of the lady's return and also her skills. Do you think that will work for you?

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    Cheung,
    You're quite a good observer. Some years ago for mixed doubles, experiences were done with ladies playing more predominantly at the back with men covering the net. The base for this logic was being man physically stronger and faster, they should provide better coverage at the net. The problem was finding powerful ladies attackers. At that time China had Lin Ying and Indonesia had Veravathy (not sure if I spelt it correctly??). If you watched the games where these ladies played, they did not have a problem staying at the baseline and performing the attacking tasks.

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    Default RE: mixed doubles.

    Thanks for your advice, will try it on next game. The problem for me is that I perform relatively poor to cover the net, so the lady skills is a dominant factor to control the game under such situation. If we can't switch back to the "lady-front-man-back" position, we are quite vulnerable indeed.

    Of course, this happened because both my lady partner and myself do not have all-round-skills (something I try hard to improve) !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byro-Nenium View Post
    yeah, i agree with you if your talking about the front/back formation but what about when you defend? Side to side? Isn't 1 of the players always targeted? Even in doubles?
    hi byro-nemium,
    it depends on how you play you and your partner...
    i agree with kwun.. this is just me.. ill based on how i play... i like mixed during queing but i dont join mixed in any tournament because i fear that my opponent will target me since im weak even i have to stay infront... i cant easily see the shuttlecock especially if he make the quick play and im not that good in drop shot thats for sure....:-(

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    I'm sure bryo is still interested in this thread from THIRTEEN years ago

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    This has got to be the biggest thread revival of all time. LOL

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    13 years after starting this thread, I still enjoy playing mixed doubles. Even somehow ended with a wife while doing it.....

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    Now you have the perfect mix partner. Don't start arguing over lost points though. Or you might get problems in your marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canyt View Post
    Being a woman in the front is really scary... maybe I'm a doubles player and not quite use to the mixed format (front/back) yet...sometimes u just don't know which shots are yours and which shots u leave for your partner... i was taught never to lift the bird up to the men...and only hit shots that are reachable and defensive... is that really the case?
    it depends, my mixed doubles partner kept net dropping even when the opponent is right there in front of her.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    really been enjoying the mixed doubles game. played half day of double to warm up, and then played half day of mixed. in doubles, sometime i can just doze off and then just mindlessly smash smash smash. in mixed, speed and smart precise placement is more important than power.

    i don't always win, actually, i lose most of the time, but winning is only secondary to fun.

    it is difficult to find a partner though.

    anyone else have thoughts on this?
    that's a good attitude. from my years of playing with "aunties" from my church group only stands near the net in the middle, i learned to be faster so i can cover around her in a U shape and it helped with my badminton game in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i dont' agree. if you are in the traditional front/back and diagonal formation, it is hard to "target" the lady, as the lady is always close to the net. unless you have really sharp shots, you might end up being targeted.

    i am not a single player, so i really can't compare between single/mixed, but i do find that a mixed game requires much more coordination than a normal doubles game. just because the game involve more smart placements in "boundary zones" instead of hard hitting.

    i wonder what the ladies' perspective is...... anyone?
    i find mixed doubles more fun but a bit slower than men's doubles, singles requires a lot of patience in my opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post
    As for tactics in mixed doubles, I believe that the lady and man should stand side by side when defending smashes because it's hard for one player to cover the court efficiently.

    I used to play mixed doubles too and sometimes I partner the girl against a men doubles team. Not that I am the better player, in fact the lady was the strongest player of all of us. She was "just" a Chinese reserve team player and beat all of us in singles. She was also a specialist in mixed doubles game and I learn quite a bit playing with her. For instance, when in front she seldom stayed at the center. According to the situations she would either stand on right of left side (always moving during the game). In this way I need to cover the maximum 3/4 points of the court instead of 6 points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post
    Kwun
    The thing that I best remember about is her quickness. She made on court decisions very quick (i.e. situations where both players could go for the bird) -- take or leave it to the partner. Being able to that early, I never had the problem of guessing who will go for the shuttle and therefore our game would go smoothly. She was excellent to cover the net: fast, deceptive and lethal.

    Probably what I learned from her is how to move and position myself around the court better in mixed doubles. For example, if she stayed more on the right side of the net, I would position myself more to the left side of the mid-court - she would cover the right and center of the net and half court attacks on the right side while I would cover the whole left side of the court plus the rear right court.

    Viver
    thank you for sharing these tips!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowi12 View Post
    Now you have the perfect mix partner. Don't start arguing over lost points though. Or you might get problems in your marriage.
    she has gotten much better and now she try to keep up with the guys on doubles. so these days we usually play regular doubles instead.

    if she is at the back and miss a shot, well, that's not my fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    she has gotten much better and now she try to keep up with the guys on doubles. so these days we usually play regular doubles instead.

    if she is at the back and miss a shot, well, that's not my fault!
    Errr... wrong, it still is and will always be

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    Bless the cheeky fellow who put the obligatory mini short or skirt for women in the rulebook.

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