ANNOUNCEMENT: new Karma system

**wilfredlgf** · 10-11-2007, 12:14 PM

I'm not bothered by whether the feature exists or not.

**huangkwokhau** · 10-11-2007, 12:14 PM

I think we should terminate the Karma system.....

**cooler** · 10-11-2007, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by kwun

keep the comments coming guys. i won't be able to make any decision till the end of the day if i survive, otherwise, i will do it tomorrow. i am jam pack with work for the whole day today.

no rush kwun, we will survive

It's is better to think it out and implement a good change rather than a quick change.

**taufik-ist** · 10-11-2007, 12:30 PM

maybe cooler should be 'act' politely,
i never heard cooler said 'I also want to show respect to others, who contribute in other ways' or fisrtly i appreciate what you have done to bc be fore he gives opposite posts or make an accusation

if he does.. i bet he won't get many bad karmas from many ppl here

..........

hey i remember cooler gave me a bad karma, whereas i was just joking with him

**wilfredlgf** · 10-11-2007, 12:37 PM

Cooler's just ... direct, like I am long-winded.

He's not bothered with pleasantries, just commentaries.

**cooler** · 10-11-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by taufik-ist

maybe cooler should be 'act' politely,
i never heard cooler said 'I also want to show respect to others, who contribute in other ways' or fisrtly i appreciate what you have done to bc be fore he gives opposite posts or make an accusation

if he does.. i bet he won't get many bad karmas from many ppl here

..........

hey i remember cooler gave me a bad karma, whereas i was just joking with him

hey, i did give u credit... like i said in another thread, 'indra and taukist' now have a more' realistic outlook on taufik. For cooler, that is an improvement

Don't expect me to butter u up and slop all over u

**wilfredlgf** · 10-11-2007, 01:23 PM

Cooler, the imagery of you slopping him with butter is not a very pleasant one.

**malayali** · 10-11-2007, 01:44 PM

Although not a victim of any bad karam yet, I fully & whole-heartedly support this idea. It looks like this feature has been used to abuse more than reward.

Originally Posted by cooler

To Admin, i like to contribute an idea on this karma dilemma we are currently experiencing. I suggest that, if possible, only positive karma can be given and to disable the 'disapprove' option. This is a positive approach where we award good content/advice while a reader can still gauge how 'good' of a standing a certain poster is without the distortion caused by negative karma as we all know now are often given unobjectively (mud slinging). If a poster is just plain obnoxious, i'm sure admin/mods can see that and/or would receive complaints (pm or postings) from other readers. Your choice of actions for these characters(a warning or total ban) will be fully appreciated and we would never doubt your divine decision

If the negative karma feature in this program can not be disable, then make a house rule or law that only mods and admin can give out neg. karma.

Even god allow bad behaviors (freewill) but only god should able to punish the offender

We mortal posters shouldn't be given the power to punish others

**Athelete1234** · 10-11-2007, 03:08 PM

It's sad how everybody is giving negative karma to everybody who argues that China is not 100% guilty of cheating. I'd like to see kwun outright ban those kinds of threads and warn/ban people who even bring it up. Over the past few days, this topic has spread from the macau open thread, to the thread over in the general forum, and it's just getting out of hand.

**BadFever** · 10-11-2007, 09:42 PM

I don't think this Karma thingy is working at the moment. The US and Macau Open threads are the best example of BC members abusing the system. Everyone giving "+" and "-" without even thinking if the person's post deserve a Karma or not. IMHO, I don't think one should give a Karma just because he/she agree or disagree to a person's post, or, worse still, just to support the person you know (with the exception of Kwun I guess

).

In the above mentioned threads, Cooler was given so many "-" Karma that his status changed color from green to red (US Open) and grey (Macau Open). In my opinion, if Cooler deserved a "-" Karma, he should only get 2, one on each US and Macau Open, and not something like 20+ Karma (How many "-" to get red color anyway?). Having said that, within 24 hours, Cooler's status also changed back to green color. I assumed that Cooler also received same amount of "+" Karma to cancel off his "-". No offence, Cooler, but I don't see any of your recent posts deserve that many "+" Karma either. It only means that Cooler may have known enough members or has supporters to provide him with the "+" Karma. Or he might have done it himself, painfully. In the end, whether it's a "-" or "+" Karma to Cooler, this only shows BC members abusing the Karma system or should I say the Karma system is not used to what it's intended.

I would suggest that only Kwun and Mods are allowed to give Karma. Since they are the ones who decide what is right and what is wrong, they should also decide which post deserve "+" Karma for useful contribution and "-" for wrong doings. Kwun and Mods don't have to take this as additional workload but consider this as some kind of a Karma/Fate experience. When you come across a post that deserve a Karma, you do so, but if you miss a good/bad post, maybe it is fate that the member does not deserve a Karma.

**gundala** · 10-11-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by BadFever

I don't think this Karma thingy is working at the moment. The US and Macau Open threads are the best example of BC members abusing the system. Everyone giving "+" and "-" without even thinking if the person's post deserve a Karma or not. IMHO, I don't think one should give a Karma just because he/she agree or disagree to a person's post, or, worse still, just to support the person you know (with the exception of Kwun I guess

).

In the above mentioned threads, Cooler was given so many "-" Karma that his status changed color from green to red (US Open) and grey (Macau Open). In my opinion, if Cooler deserved a "-" Karma, he should only get 2, one on each US and Macau Open, and not something like 20+ Karma (How many "-" to get red color anyway?). Having said that, within 24 hours, Cooler's status also changed back to green color. I assumed that Cooler also received same amount of "+" Karma to cancel off his "-". No offence, Cooler, but I don't see any of your recent posts deserve that many "+" Karma either. It only means that Cooler may have known enough members or has supporters to provide him with the "+" Karma. Or he might have done it himself, painfully. In the end, whether it's a "-" or "+" Karma to Cooler, this only shows BC members abusing the Karma system or should I say the Karma system is not used to what it's intended.

I would suggest that only Kwun and Mods are allowed to give Karma. Since they are the ones who decide what is right and what is wrong, they should also decide which post deserve "+" Karma for useful contribution and "-" for wrong doings. Kwun and Mods don't have to take this as additional workload but consider this as some kind of a Karma/Fate experience. When you come across a post that deserve a Karma, you do so, but if you miss a good/bad post, maybe it is fate that the member does not deserve a Karma.

good post... i can't resist to give u good karma lol

**gundala** · 10-11-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by cooler

hey, i did give u credit... like i said in another thread, 'indra and taukist' now have a more' realistic outlook on taufik. For cooler, that is an improvement

Don't expect me to butter u up and slop all over u

hey .. remember me.. forgive me to ask ..do u have a heart..? don't you care about someone's feeling or your heart is frozen...

**BadFever** · 10-11-2007, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by gundala

hey .. remember me.. forgive me to ask ..do u have a heart..? don't you care about someone's feeling or your heart is frozen...

I really wish all of you who is not happy with Cooler would stop posting all this unnecessary comments. It is so childish!!! and turn a thread from good/fair to absolute rubbish for all other readers.

All of you are trying to make a point. That's fine. But when it gets to a stage where the thread get closed by the Mods, it only means one thing, enough is ENOUGH!! Why start polluting other threads???

Man, I should go out and play more baddy than reading all these rubbish.

*Kwun/Mods, feel free to delete this post*

**gundala** · 10-11-2007, 11:57 PM

sorry... then delete my post here

**taufik-ist** · 10-12-2007, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by gundala

sorry... then delete my post here

you've just been "erased"

**wood_22_chuck** · 10-12-2007, 01:12 AM

Negative karma to Lazybuddy for calling cooler an "old timer." I suggest, err, "monolithic" and/or, err, "ancient."

Pardon me while I look for my cooler-proof jacket/shroud now.

-dave

***kwun*** · 10-12-2007, 01:30 AM

ok. so what i have feared in the beginning has come true. the karma system has turned not only into a popularity contest, but also a tool for personal attack.

as a result, the karma system has been switched off.

from now on, i want everyone to behave. we will continue to moderate the forum, and if we see any deliberate expression of rudeness to other members, we will take the appropriate and potentially harsh action.