ANNOUNCEMENT: new Karma system

***kwun*** · 06-28-2007, 01:41 AM

some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.

to that end, BC is going to experiment with a karma system.

the way it works is quite simple. the karma system is a member-to-member award system, you can award each post that you see a positive or a negative karma depending on your reaction on it. over time, each member will gain or lose karma points. we hope that will be a more accurate measure of a member's trustworthiness.

to award a karma, this is what you do. besides each post, you can see a karma icon:

. clicking the icon will bring you a menu in which you can award the post either a positive or a negative karma. and that's is it!

each member can only give 25 karma awards each day. so use it wisely.

as mentioned, BC is running this as an experiment, what we want to see is genuine award of karma and i don't want this to turn the forum into a popularity contest. if we find out ppl abusing the karma system, we will turn it off.

**Neil Nicholls** · 06-28-2007, 01:53 AM

Having clicked on the karma icon, is there any way to change your mind and not award karma? The only way out I have found is to kill my browser session.

***kwun*** · 06-28-2007, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls

Having clicked on the karma icon, is there any way to change your mind and not award karma? The only way out I have found is to kill my browser session.

just click anywhere outside the popout window, it will go away

**azabaz_ipoh** · 06-28-2007, 02:51 AM

ok, i'll join the experiment.

maybe this will be a permanent fixture here.

**ants** · 06-28-2007, 02:53 AM

Whats the point of doing this?

**Chire** · 06-28-2007, 03:21 AM

Hm I don't see how this is necessary.

It is only natural opinions differ, and that's what creates the discussions with so many inputs and views. I don't think they should always be considered simply negative or positive.

Don't neg karma me on this

**wilfredlgf** · 06-28-2007, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by ants

Whats the point of doing this?

Originally Posted by Chire

Hm I don't see how this is necessary.

It is only natural opinions differ, and that's what creates the discussions with so many inputs and views. I don't think they should always be considered simply negative or positive.

One step in establishing credibility. Being the biggest badminton website in the world requires that the information posted are 'accurate enough' and 'trustworthy'. Karma points can help point the direction to those who more or less fit the criteria above in terms of their opinions, not necessarily elevating them to the level of gods in the process.

Most factual topics ie. racquet weight, Yonex manufacturing process, serial number, game rules, history, science etc will not really require them but somebody who knows how it works can be referred to.

Subjective topics ie. grip style, technique, string tension, racquet preference will be populated with information that is both right, not exactly right to wrong and very wrong, that will require some sort of compass to establish a sound argument either from experiments, experience or the depth of technical knowledge compared to one based on total speculation and emotional choice. This is where the karma system will be useful.

There is no right and wrong though - it just helps to point out that this guy is a Yonex user who prefers head heavy racquets such as the Ti-10 and strongly prefers the doubles game to singles. Hence, positive feedback can establish that this guy is at least knowledgeable about power-racquets and the doubles game and his opinion can be trusted on this subject topic.

Keep talking crap and people will be warned that this person probably speculated most of what he/she says, hence to be taken with a pinch of salt/masala/tumeric.

In US constitutional term it is called 'checks and balances' ?

**cappy75** · 06-28-2007, 03:50 AM

Is it possible to show others karma points and hide our own points? That could negate the tendency towards a popularity driven forum.

I agree with Chire, every member should be responsible for their own critical thoughts. If their comments are noteworthy and valid, not many would challenge them. Whereas any other rubbish would invite criticism.

**ixory** · 06-28-2007, 03:55 AM

How i gonna know i got karma point???Just curious.

**DinkAlot** · 06-28-2007, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

In US constitutional term it is called 'checks and balances' ?

Good post Wilfred, you have good karma.

**wilfredlgf** · 06-28-2007, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by ixory

How i gonna know i got karma point???Just curious.

Your user status will eventually change (don't know how) - refer to the green box to the left below your user profile. I'm not sure but if it's red you probably should beware...

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

Good post Wilfred, you have good karma.

I was born Thomas Jefferson's less famous copywriter in my past life.

**chris-ccc** · 06-28-2007, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by kwun

some member express concerns that we need a system to tell if a member's comment is trustworthy or not.

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

One step in establishing credibility.

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

Good post Wilfred, you have good karma.

Originally Posted by ants

Whats the point of doing this?

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

Your user status...... refer to the green box to the left below your user profile. I'm not sure but if it's red you probably should beware...

Greetings,

I think there's good karma around our Badminton Central Discussion today.

BTW, I have found using kwun's recent Multi-Quotes quite challenging...... that is, to gather as many BC members' thoughts before posting a reply. But I have given it a go.

And now...... with our new Karma System, I think it is again remind us to consider a bit, before we reply any post hastily.

Cheers... chris@ccc

**silentheart** · 06-28-2007, 09:27 AM

I would like to propose less point per day. In 10~15 pt range. Just a warning that some member might artifically infalte the Karma by sign on as another new member. May be we can use a scale level for those wiho has less than 100 posts 5 Karma points, 500 post 10 Karma pt and > 1000 post 15 Karma pt. This will not avoid the abuse, however, it might slow down.

**Neil Nicholls** · 06-28-2007, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by silentheart

Just a warning that some member might artifically infalte the Karma by sign on as another new member.

Or new members cannot give karma points during their first week or month or whatever.

**Neil Nicholls** · 06-28-2007, 09:46 AM

If we give negative karma and put a comment, how does the poster see that?
Or know that one of his/her posts has been karma'd ?

**LazyBuddy** · 06-28-2007, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by kwun

each member can only give 25 karma awards each day. so use it wisely.

Any limitation toward a particular individual or a particular thread? Otherwise, during a heated debate, someone can through in 10 negative karmas toward his opponent.