Push-ups?

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  1. ionoo

    ionoo Regular Member

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    Are push-ups helpful for badminton? If so, should the reps be high like ~100 or will that be bad and not beneficial for badminton.
     
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    I personally don't think they're of much use. It's more of a punishment and fitness thing for coaches to make the students do.
     
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    I started doing them because I felt really weak :) (not my badminton just in general). So far I can only do like 40 before collapsing :p but it's much better than where I started... Anyway I feel a lot better now but I don't think it's made a big change to my badminton really (I guess it's a little easier now but not enormously so). I mean seriously I was really weak before but the strength of my shots hasn't changed a lot since then, they were fine before and fine now.
     
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    Push ups are always helpful for any sport or general fitness.

    However, doing too many will increase muscle tightness which is a no-no in badminton. So, don't overdo it and increase your stretching regime to compensate.
     
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    I think it is, it develops chest, biceps and triceps. All of which are needed in a way or another by badminton.
     
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    Agree to DinkAlot

    strength and flexibility is equally important, while flexibility training like stretching will do much less damage on your ankles and muscles

    i would recommend yoga
     
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    The thing with pushups is that the resistance is light compared to your upper body strength. If you look at things in more detail, badminton upper body movement involves brief, explosive movements while pushups are slow repetitive movements. This is especially the case if you're doing 20+ reps at a time, you're essentially teaching your body to hold back so that it can sustain a slow effort for longer.

    Some guidelines if you're doing conventional down-up reps:
    20+ reps - for muscular endurance (not of great use in badminton)
    10-20 reps - builds up your anaerobic work capacity, prepares you for heavier work
    5-10 reps - builds up your work capacity at higher loads, prepares you for heavier work
    1-5 reps - strength work

    So what you can do is find variations to make things tougher. Elevating your feet is a common, so is wearing a heavy backpack full of weights. A good one is putting your hands on medicine balls which challenges your proprioception. You can also incorporate pauses at the bottom of the rep where the movement is hardest. Some advanced variations would be 1 handed pushups or no leg support pushups (called planche pushups).

    The idea is to keep challenging yourself.
     
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    Ah one hand pushups, i can do em but I hear like bones cracking or something when I do them =/. The cracking sounds aren't near the elbow joint it seems like its coming from the area below the back of my shoulders. I'm not doing that many reps either only like 20. Even on the first try I hear the sound. Anyways, about explosiveness since the push-ups I've been doing are slow movements, would burpee's be a good addition to add to fast push-ups? The only thing bothering me about them is I've heard anything like squats are really bad for your knees. http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/burpeeclip.htm
     
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    There's a principle known as SAID - Specific Adaptations to Imposed Demands

    What it means is that what you practise will stimulate the greatest improvement in that particular movement, some improvement in similar movements and little/no improvment in dissimilar movements.

    So, if you look at burpees the explosive part is with your legs, so that's not going to help with the explosiveness of your pushes. How about explosiveness for your legs? If you look at the burpee it is a jump that involves mostly pushing your body up with your legs from a low squat position. However in most sports jumps are executed with a very quick descent before the jump to store plyometric energy - the burpees don't train this aspect of jumping so the benefits will be mediocre at best.

    As for squats, the movement itself is a very natural movement, so by itself it shouldn't cause knee problems. For example if you look at little kids they can do perfect squats without anyone teaching them The problem is that people spend too much time sitting in chairs, and wearing shoes, which reduces their ability to control their hip movement and/or feet/ankles. The result of that is, when the body encounters a load, the portion of that load normally handled by the hips or ankles gets transferred to another joint in the body - the knee or the low back. But, the knee or low back already have their normal load, so they end up getting overloaded. That's why people get knee injuries.
     
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    If you add any wheight training for upper arms (especially pushups) you will feel stronger during rallies .. you will get less tired.

    I did small amount of wheight training and it seemed as if even my legs were stronger during rallies - when I had actually done no wheight training for my legs.
     
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    helpful yes i suppose compared to not doing any, but lifting medum to light weights really fast is much better as this improves ure muscular endurance so your able to cope with the stress of repeatin a specific movement again and again, btw i do know pressups improve this component aswell lol jus not in the required way, my coach is an england player and he never does pressups,,,

    lots of weights tho and sit ups lol
     
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    pfff screw push up. all you need is 225 lbs bench press :D. nah, I'm just joking. seriously doing plyometrics/cardio or stamina training is more beneficial than concentrating on doing push up. push up is good for the explosiveness if you do it right, slow down and quick up.
     
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    Go for springiness

    I think the best badminton-pushups are when you push up so fast that you can lift your hands from the floor and clap.
    When you can 10-15 of those, try bouncing your body so that both the feet and the hands leave the floor.
    Finally try to clap your knees with the hands. (carefull though - teeth may shatter)
    These exercises may not give much stamina, but they add springiness - and they are great for improving the timing between arms and lower stomach muscles/hip benders. You do much the same work as in a jump-smash.

    That said - I think pull-ups should be used much more by badminton players.
    They actually strengthen some of the muscles you use so much that get sore from playing. The back side of the shoulder. The underarm. And the biceps, which actually play an important role in the outward rotation of the underarm = powerfull backhand and faster smash returns.
     
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    There's also a similiar excercise you just mentioned. Instead of clapping in front of your body, some people can clap behind their backs.:D Please DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME. I tried it once and fell straight down to the floor.:eek: I'll stick with doing something else.;)
     
  15. stumblingfeet

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    Check out this short clip of football player Adam Archuleta. He does so depth drops in a pushup position.

    http://www.arpprogram.com/resources/video/archuleta_freak.html

    He made a big splash at the NFL combine a few years ago with his crazy numbers on the physical tests, and his unconventional training methods (he trains under coach Jay Schroeder).

    BTW, he bench pressed 225lbs something like 31 times for the combine (even though that is a stupid test anyways).
     

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