Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- the new Men's Doubles World Champion!!

**Badmintan** · 08-22-2007, 12:39 AM

CTF/LWW vs Kido/Setiawan was a great match.
It's a shame, that CTF made many mistakes. Their experience should have take them pass Kido/Setiawan....too bad Kido was man of the match that day.

That Markis Kido is a machine...so short yet jump so high....and without tiring (reminds me of Yap Kim Hock)....Setiawan is very good in front of net. I think Chandra/Gunawan are 2nd choice now....

**badMania** · 08-22-2007, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by samuel882

LD is the only one players who really able to stands up tall in the new 21pps. The rest of the field looks unstable & prompt to suffer slump of their form at anytime of the year..

I agree with this statement. At the moment, only Lin Dan looks almost certain to claim the gold in the Olympics, unless players like Taufik Hidayat or Lee Chong Wei rise up to the occassion.

In the WS, we see older players like Zhang Ning and Xie Xingfang suddenly become vulnerable and losing recent matches against non-Chinese oppositions.

In the WD, I believe CHN will win it, but, it can be from any pair

Yang Wei/Zhang Jiewen and Gao Ling/Huang Sui look the safest bet.

MD and XD are probably the most open events

ANY PAIR who is in form during the Olympics can just nick the titles. Reputation does not matter

Remember Kim Dong Moon/Ra Kyung Min and Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen? They were the top seed, but, ended up losing pretty early in the Olympics

**abedeng** · 08-22-2007, 01:22 AM

Kido, Yap Kim Hock, Ade Chandra, Ng Boon Bee, they are all of similar build and height, and ability in hard jump smashing from baseline. Only separated by different eras.

**badMania** · 08-22-2007, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Badmintan

That Markis Kido is a machine...so short yet jump so high....and without tiring (reminds me of Yap Kim Hock)....Setiawan is very good in front of net. I think Chandra/Gunawan are 2nd choice now....

Tony/Candra IS NOT EVEN a Pelatnas pair. I doubt they can go to Olympics next year

**badMania** · 08-22-2007, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

..but IMO, the turning point was their win over their veteran counterparts in Tony & Candra, in the QF. IMO, it really boosted their confidence and perhaps propelled them to their new status. Imagine going into the Semifinals playing against the homecrowd favorite & M'sia's last hope in LeeWW & ChoongTF, yet the young INA pair was able to keep their poise and won in straight sets, with a couple of lucky breaks here & there, even after they trailed in the 1st and 2nd sets..

YUP, considering they NEVER WON against Tony/Candra. That victory over their senior pair had undobtedly boosted their morale and confidence. Coupled with that extraordinary win over CTF/LWW in the Semi-Final. They were 10-16 down in the first set and several game points down in the second set; only to take both sets in deuce

**hcyong** · 08-22-2007, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by badMania

Tony/Candra IS NOT EVEN a Pelatnas pair. I doubt they can go to Olympics next year

Tony/Candra can represent Indonesia. If no credible second pairing emerges, I think Pelatnas will have no choice.

**badMania** · 08-22-2007, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

Tony/Candra can represent Indonesia. If no credible second pairing emerges, I think Pelatnas will have no choice.

Agree that Pelatnas MIGHT send them as an INA pair if the other backup pairs like Luluk/Alvent or AG/Joko still couldn't show any results this year

In the mixed, I think INA is pretty much settled with Nova/Butet, Flandy/Vita and perhaps Rijal/Greysia (if we are allowed to send three pairs

)

**hcyong** · 08-22-2007, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by badMania

Agree that Pelatnas MIGHT send them as an INA pair if the other backup pairs like Luluk/Alvent or AG/Joko still couldn't show any results this year

In the mixed, I think INA is pretty much settled with Nova/Butet, Flandy/Vita and perhaps Rijal/Greysia (if we are allowed to send three pairs

)

Luluk/Alven may stand a chance.

Quite tough to qualify 3 pairs. All 3 pairs will have to be in the top 4.

**jason_kidd** · 08-22-2007, 12:20 PM

IMO.....i was there watching the game between kido/setiawan and candra/tony. i still beleive that candra/tony lose the game 'purposely'. they didnt fight as hard as they were facing cai/fu in singapore open/all england. they just like enjopying themselves. other than that, candra and tony were just smiling and chating with others after the game. looks like they were telling the younger pair -- good luck and seize the opportunity this time!!! YEAH...fortunately they did!!! another point, they both from INA.. however, kido/setiawan are having the burden to compete in the tournament as they are representing INA . while in this situation, as a INA player for more than 20 years, candra/tony should realize kido/setiawan victory is more important...

**pjswift** · 08-23-2007, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by jason_kidd

IMO.....i was there watching the game between kido/setiawan and candra/tony. i still beleive that candra/tony lose the game 'purposely'. they didnt fight as hard as they were facing cai/fu in singapore open/all england. they just like enjopying themselves. other than that, candra and tony were just smiling and chating with others after the game. looks like they were telling the younger pair -- good luck and seize the opportunity this time!!! YEAH...fortunately they did!!! another point, they both from INA.. however, kido/setiawan are having the burden to compete in the tournament as they are representing INA . while in this situation, as a INA player for more than 20 years, candra/tony should realize kido/setiawan victory is more important...

Comes across like an insult to MK/S.It's not that guaranteed to win against ctf/lww; in fact it was quite a battle with match possibly going either way. Against KOR MD in final, their victory 's convincing despite the scoreline.
I have a lot of respect for them but Candra/tony, like TH, are just riding on the glamour aura ;anyone can beat them now.
MK/S are deserving champions, don't take that away from them pls.

**Krisna** · 08-23-2007, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by pjswift

I have a lot of respect for them but Candra/tony, like TH, are just riding on the glamour aura ;anyone can beat them now.
MK/S are deserving champions, don't take that away from them pls.

I admit I cannot beat Candra-Tony and TH...

I suspect most BC members cannot beat them...

**Krisna** · 08-23-2007, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

Tony/Candra can represent Indonesia. If no credible second pairing emerges, I think Pelatnas will have no choice.

They can?

Cool! I thought BWF has a rule that said that if someone have represented country ABC, then that person cannot represent another country within 2 years or something... And Tony have represented USA these last few years. Well I hope they don't use this rule then Candra-Tony can represent INA. That will be so cool...

Originally Posted by badMania

Agree that Pelatnas MIGHT send them as an INA pair if the other backup pairs like Luluk/Alvent or AG/Joko still couldn't show any results this year

In the mixed, I think INA is pretty much settled with Nova/Butet, Flandy/Vita and perhaps Rijal/Greysia (if we are allowed to send three pairs

)

The new regulation for the 2008 Olympics: a country can send 3 pairs maximum if the 3 pairs are ranked between 1 to 4 in the world. Mmm... there are other notes on the host country. I think they can be guaranteed at least 1 pair / player per category. I have not read the 2008 Olympics regulations for a while now. So I might be mistaken about this last point. But the rule about the 3 pair max is valid.

In the past, the regulation was not as stringent, it was 3 pairs max if within top 16 or something...

**pjswift** · 08-23-2007, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Krisna

I admit I cannot beat Candra-Tony and TH...

I suspect most BC members cannot beat them...

Why don't you fill in the blanks? Anyone... in the top 10, 20 ,30...You be the judge.

**Krisna** · 08-23-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Krisna

I admit I cannot beat Candra-Tony and TH...

I suspect most BC members cannot beat them...

Originally Posted by pjswift

Why don't you fill in the blanks? Anyone... in the top 10, 20 ,30...You be the judge.

Unless there are BC members in the top 30 of World Badminton. I don't see how your last response correspond with my post?

I just said I cannot beat Candra-Tony [which is a fact]. And I said I suspect most BC members cannot beat Candra-Tony... What do you mean by your last post? There are BC members who are in the top 10 to 30 in the world? Who are they?

**kidosetiawan** · 08-26-2007, 10:35 AM

Kido!!! Man they are just my favorite now......Making me proud of their achievement....but they still have Olympics and All England to win and some more super series titles this season...hope they can achieve this and break through to become world no 1....However, its hard to see this pair beating Cai Yun-Fu Hai Feng of China and also Koo Kin Keat-Tan Boon Heong of Malaysia......in terms of skills they are more superior compared to our newly crowned world Champions

But I do hope they prove me wrong

**Han** · 08-26-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by jason_kidd

IMO.....i was there watching the game between kido/setiawan and candra/tony. i still beleive that candra/tony lose the game 'purposely'. they didnt fight as hard as they were facing cai/fu in singapore open/all england. they just like enjopying themselves. other than that, candra and tony were just smiling and chating with others after the game. looks like they were telling the younger pair -- good luck and seize the opportunity this time!!! YEAH...fortunately they did!!! another point, they both from INA.. however, kido/setiawan are having the burden to compete in the tournament as they are representing INA . while in this situation, as a INA player for more than 20 years, candra/tony should realize kido/setiawan victory is more important...

Is always hard to play against your own countryman with extra "juice". I think Tony/Chandra have past their prime and many of their points came from unforced errors by their opponents. You hardly see them able to use their smashes to kill the opponents deep into the round as compare to their title Olympic year. Kido/Setiawan may not be the best pair in world in ranking but they are the best in World Championship 2007, that's the fact!