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    Hi, recently I started using a bit of pronation with wrist flexing to generate power and it was successful. However, when I tried using pure pronation I could not hit the ball without slicing.

    I tried using pure pronation as the professional players appeared to use it in the slow motion replays, such as Lee Yong Dae and Yoo Yeon Seong.

    Are there any tips as to get rid of the slicing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimetallica View Post
    Hi, recently I started using a bit of pronation with wrist flexing to generate power and it was successful. However, when I tried using pure pronation I could not hit the ball without slicing.

    I tried using pure pronation as the professional players appeared to use it in the slow motion replays, such as Lee Yong Dae and Yoo Yeon Seong.

    Are there any tips as to get rid of the slicing?
    do you have the correct grip ?angle the racket with your grip, usually I angle the racket at impact about 45 degrees to produce slice shots.

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    I think he is trying to get rid of the slicing. You need to start with a basic grip, but make sure you grip the racket loosely with a gap between the palm and the racket and then you need to change the grip by 10 degrees so that you have the forehand grip, this along with the right technique from supination to pronation will mean you minimise slice as much as possible and thus generate more power.

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    Hi.

    How about your elbow during shuttle impact to the follow through? Straight or bent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jug8man View Post
    Hi.

    How about your elbow during shuttle impact to the follow through? Straight or bent?
    Elbow straightens out to almost full extension and then bends back during follow through.

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    Also, I would like to know if during the backswing do you cock your wrist back or do you keep it neutral, relying completely on forearm. I slice more often when I cock my wrist back before hitting.

    In one of LCW's smash videos, the video writes 'wrist locked' during the backswing and the foreswing of LCW's smash, and i'm not sure what they mean by that.

    Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3UXF6nSpAU (1:00)

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    Of course in order to pronate into the smash, you must windup beforehand with supination ie wrist cock. You can't have one effectively without the other.

    The problem initially is the timing is difficult to get right. Do it with less speed and power first, then gradually increase as you get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Of course in order to pronate into the smash, you must windup beforehand with supination ie wrist cock. You can't have one effectively without the other.

    The problem initially is the timing is difficult to get right. Do it with less speed and power first, then gradually increase as you get better.
    I'm referring to wrist cocking, not supination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimetallica View Post
    I'm referring to wrist cocking, not supination.
    yes, there's some degree of ulnar deviation and wrist flexion in a smash, so you'll need the opposite movements in the windup preparation, ie wrist cock

    and again, the same method applies, start with less power and speed, then gradually increase when your timing improves, ie no slicing

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    Forehand stroke

    Fore arm pronation (elbow to wrist) should be unlikely to cause much or any slicing. Elbow pointing 'generally' forward) at shuttle strike point.

    Upper arm + fore arm pronation (shoulder to wrist) very likely to cause slicing. Elbow will be pointing very clearly to the side (2-3 o'clock, right handed) at shuttle strike point.

    Hope this is relevant to what u need

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    Just a quick note: players who try to apply techniques as seen in slow motion with regard to pronation often end up slicing the shuttle, but they normally end up performing a reverse slice by accident. A reverse slice is after all just the early pronation during the regular stroke.

    I would recommend that you pay more attention to where your strings are pointing. Are they pointing forwards at contact with the shuttle? Make sure you get a feeling of "punching forwards" THROUGH the shuttle. This is regardless of whether you use your wrist a lot, not at all, mainly pronation etc etc... Your strike should feel like you are hitting towards the direction you want the shuttle to go. I would suggest focusing on this feeling would be more beneficial than worrying too much about what slow motion replays are showing you.

    As others have said, make sure you use the correct grip. The "forehand" grip seems very popular these days, though im not sure why people struggled with the basic grip in the first place!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSeeley View Post
    Just a quick note: players who try to apply techniques as seen in slow motion with regard to pronation often end up slicing the shuttle, but they normally end up performing a reverse slice by accident. A reverse slice is after all just the early pronation during the regular stroke.

    I would recommend that you pay more attention to where your strings are pointing. Are they pointing forwards at contact with the shuttle? Make sure you get a feeling of "punching forwards" THROUGH the shuttle. This is regardless of whether you use your wrist a lot, not at all, mainly pronation etc etc... Your strike should feel like you are hitting towards the direction you want the shuttle to go. I would suggest focusing on this feeling would be more beneficial than worrying too much about what slow motion replays are showing you.

    As others have said, make sure you use the correct grip. The "forehand" grip seems very popular these days, though im not sure why people struggled with the basic grip in the first place!
    I understand what you mean and know what slicing feels like. I'm confused as whether to cork my wrist back before beginning the swing. If I cork my wrist back and use pure pronation I will slice the shuttle and hence have to use a bit of wrist flexion at the end to compensate. However, when I don't cork my wrist and use pure pronation it hits more cleanly, so i'm not sure which one to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimetallica View Post
    I understand what you mean and know what slicing feels like. I'm confused as whether to cork my wrist back before beginning the swing. If I cork my wrist back and use pure pronation I will slice the shuttle and hence have to use a bit of wrist flexion at the end to compensate. However, when I don't cork my wrist and use pure pronation it hits more cleanly, so i'm not sure which one to use.
    My point is it doesn't matter. I do not actively cock my wrist when I prepare to swing. During the swing, because I remain relaxed, my wrist will cock back at some point.

    Just focus on the clean contact that goes where you want with the correct grip. Then practice lots and lots. In 1 years time, you will be hitting really well, and you may or may not consciously cock your wrist.

    At the moment, you are focusing on the details of the technique. Trust me, you don't need to worry about it! You need to get the correct grip, use good technique with your pronation, take the shuttle nice and high, and learn to hit accurate and as you get better, learn to hit steeper. This is a process that takes YEARS, not hours.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSeeley View Post
    My point is it doesn't matter. I do not actively cock my wrist when I prepare to swing. During the swing, because I remain relaxed, my wrist will cock back at some point.

    Just focus on the clean contact that goes where you want with the correct grip. Then practice lots and lots. In 1 years time, you will be hitting really well, and you may or may not consciously cock your wrist.

    At the moment, you are focusing on the details of the technique. Trust me, you don't need to worry about it! You need to get the correct grip, use good technique with your pronation, take the shuttle nice and high, and learn to hit accurate and as you get better, learn to hit steeper. This is a process that takes YEARS, not hours.

    Good luck.
    Hey thanks for the advice!

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