Can the Malaysian win a gold medal?

[eaglehelang]

If you dont expect Msia to win a gold in badminton then you contradict yourself. What happened to your claim about having seen how things can change from bad to good??

Like I said TWICE, either you can catch it or you dont, I already said as directly as possible in a public forum. If you still cannot catch, never mind loh, doesnt change anything in real life.

[eaglehelang]

Eaglehelang,

Doom and gloom is here -- there is no gold to look forward to. The rot continues, we are pampering our players and there is no use hoping. We will lose for sure.

Open your minds - everyone is better than us. Get real else don't say I have not told you.

I wouldnt bother so much if it doesnt effect my ehem.. reputation as Msian. Since it does......

tsk, tsk, sad eh? if the great ppl in the world believed in that aft their 10th failure when success only came aft 25 failures, history would have been changed.....

Now you're getting hilarious Xball. Better you add "Sup Tulang" to the bet, a lot of work to deflect gloom...
1 bowl of "Sup Tulang" + 1 coconut drink for the 2 golds, win or no win we go makan. yum yum

[badMania]

If you dont expect Msia to win a gold in badminton then you contradict yourself. What happened to your claim about having seen how things can change from bad to good??

Hope is different from expectation.

I hope that Kido/Hendra will win a gold in Beijing 2008...but my expectation is only a moderate one (albeit improved from last year), since I do recognize that they still have to beat Koo/Tan

Now, almost everyone expect Lin Dan to win the Olympic Gold big time....whereas a small bunch of us hope that Lee Chong Wei or Taufik Hidayat to upset Lin Dan, so, our expectation on either player is certainly not as big as Lin Dan's fans' expectations.

Similar to the case in KL 2007. Based on their wretched form for the past half a year, my expectation of either Kido/Hendra or Nova/Butet to win the WC is a small one....nevertheless, there's always a small flickering hope, which is inside every fan's heart. So, obviously, when they won the big thing, didn't things change from bad to good?

Its better that while hoping for something, we only carry a small expectation (like what I usually do).

[badMania]

The point is why Rexy threatened to resign, not once but TWICE?? Whether it is before TC qualifying or not is irrelevant. Why would a world class coach suddenly wanna walk out of the team in a huff??? Thats the question. Rexy must be fed up with something.

Do you know what's the real reason yourself? If he changed his decision, does it also imply that at least, he saw some hope in those doubles players for him to remain in the post

Lots of foreign coaches walked out of the Malaysian national team and most attribute their decision not because of the players, but more because of interference from politics, etc. Correct me if I am wrong here since I am not 100% sure.

Since players and fans can not change how BAM or PBSI operates, no matter how loudly we voiced out our opinion, like I have mentioned before, we can only hope for changes to happen

[azabaz_ipoh]

Hope is different from expectation.

I hope that Kido/Hendra will win a gold in Beijing 2008...but my expectation is only a moderate one (albeit improved from last year), since I do recognize that they still have to beat Koo/Tan

Now, almost everyone expect Lin Dan to win the Olympic Gold big time....whereas a small bunch of us hope that Lee Chong Wei or Taufik Hidayat to upset Lin Dan, so, our expectation on either player is certainly not as big as Lin Dan's fans' expectations.

Similar to the case in KL 2007. Based on their wretched form for the past half a year, my expectation of either Kido/Hendra or Nova/Butet to win the WC is a small one....nevertheless, there's always a small flickering hope, which is inside every fan's heart. So, obviously, when they won the big thing, didn't things change from bad to good?

Its better that while hoping for something, we only carry a small expectation (like what I usually do).

i agree. hope is what makes us fans. since we still support players that does not show consistency but have shown the ability to be a winner. expectation is what makes us a sceptic. if we only expect the best all the time, we will be disappointed. and if we only expect the worse all the time, what's the point in watching the players anyway.

[eaglehelang]

[quote=badMania;798810]Hope is different from expectation.........

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He he he, my friend you is smart to catch my meaning for on paper, for logically Msia cant win gold in any official OG sport (apparently Wushu will be contested but as unofficial sport - Msia has female World & AG champ for Wushu).
I wouldnt call mine just passive 'hope' but the faith to believe, beyond logical thought, for nothing is impossible.....- I think you know what I mean. Of course the players themselves need to have that faith.

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Lots of foreign coaches walked out of the Malaysian national team and most attribute their decision not because of the players, but more because of interference from politics, etc. Correct me if I am wrong here since I am not 100% sure.

Since players and fans can not change how BAM or PBSI operates, no matter how loudly we voiced out our opinion, like I have mentioned before, we can only hope for changes to happen

Yup, it was featured in the media, Rexy said his 2nd resignation was cos of accusations by 'certain quarters' he was not doing his job, loyalty of foreign coach in question thingy. Politics part, our Abedeng has already elaborated very eloquently.

And it felt good -- maybe I will do more of that.

he he he, any 'sup tulang' or you prefer fish ball, to complement your nick 'X Ball'?

[Pemuda]

Like I said TWICE, either you can catch it or you dont, I already said as directly as possible in a public forum. If you still cannot catch, never mind loh, doesnt change anything in real life.

It would definitely help if you are consistent rather than flip flopping all over.

[Pemuda]

Hope is different from expectation.

I hope that Kido/Hendra will win a gold in Beijing 2008...but my expectation is only a moderate one (albeit improved from last year), since I do recognize that they still have to beat Koo/Tan

Now, almost everyone expect Lin Dan to win the Olympic Gold big time....whereas a small bunch of us hope that Lee Chong Wei or Taufik Hidayat to upset Lin Dan, so, our expectation on either player is certainly not as big as Lin Dan's fans' expectations.

Similar to the case in KL 2007. Based on their wretched form for the past half a year, my expectation of either Kido/Hendra or Nova/Butet to win the WC is a small one....nevertheless, there's always a small flickering hope, which is inside every fan's heart. So, obviously, when they won the big thing, didn't things change from bad to good?

Its better that while hoping for something, we only carry a small expectation (like what I usually do).

Lets not confuse wishful thinking with hope shall we?

[badMania]

Lets not confuse wishful thinking with hope shall we?

Err...why is it wishful thinking for either LCW or Koo/Tan to win any medals in the Olympics ?? They certainly have fulfilled the criteria of bearing MAS's hope as potential gold-medallists in Beijing as they won some important titles last year (Super Series Levels, and not one title only).

Now, on the other hand, it will be wishful thinking for Mohd Hafiz Hashim to win any medals in the Olympics But, wishful thinking also does not mean he will not surprise us and put in a good performance. We can only hope he suddenly finds some form

One example: Shon Sheung Mo. NOBODY expects him to win any medals of any color before the Olympics. If you ask any Korean fans, they would say it will be wishful thinking to hope for any medals from him. Yet, he surprised everyone and won the Silver Since then, he disappeared from the arena until only recently.

[extremenanopowe]

The Korean have the guts to try out scratch pair and why not Malaysia? Damaged done correct? Now the pressure keeps on piling up and can be demotivating.

[Pemuda]

Do you know what's the real reason yourself? If he changed his decision, does it also imply that at least, he saw some hope in those doubles players for him to remain in the post

Lots of foreign coaches walked out of the Malaysian national team and most attribute their decision not because of the players, but more because of interference from politics, etc. Correct me if I am wrong here since I am not 100% sure.

Since players and fans can not change how BAM or PBSI operates, no matter how loudly we voiced out our opinion, like I have mentioned before, we can only hope for changes to happen

Why would you think a good coach like Rexy would suddenly go on a rant and then suddenly quit, twice??? What 'hope' you are talking about here?? KKK/TBh just got beaten by some scratched Korean pair. Yes, do tell me about that great 'hope' ... please

You said it spot on, interference from politics and etc.

Who is talking about changing BAM or PBSI or the world here . Dude, this is just a badminton forum and we are here to discuss, share and maybe debate civilly (except for one who tend to resort to petty insults) on matters related to badminton.

[badMania]

The Korean have the guts to try out scratch pair and why not Malaysia? Damaged done correct? Now the pressure keeps on piling up and can be demotivating.

Malaysia has done that in 2006 remember? Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong were barely 2 months old, their first tournament being the Japan Open 2006 in October.

They also did not have good form during the Asian Games Team Event, being beaten by Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man, which prompted Rexy to quit...but...they regrouped themselves and won the Asian Games Individual Event!

So, anything can happen!

[Pemuda]

Err...why is it wishful thinking for either LCW or Koo/Tan to win any medals in the Olympics ?? They certainly have fulfilled the criteria of bearing MAS's hope as potential gold-medallists in Beijing as they won some important titles last year (Super Series Levels, and not one title only).

Now, on the other hand, it will be wishful thinking for Mohd Hafiz Hashim to win any medals in the Olympics But, wishful thinking also does not mean he will not surprise us and put in a good performance. We can only hope he suddenly finds some form

One example: Shon Sheung Mo. NOBODY expects him to win any medals of any color before the Olympics. If you ask any Korean fans, they would say it will be wishful thinking to hope for any medals from him. Yet, he surprised everyone and won the Silver Since then, he disappeared from the arena until only recently.

Take a look at the titles LCW have won todate. Any AEs, WCs??? LCW is a good player, that I am sure but his mentality is not strong and is known to break down in the big tournaments.

KKK/TBH, dont look good indeed when they cant even get past some cardboard pair from Korea.

Who is talking about silver medals here??? This thread is about Msia winning the gold, dude. But since you are talking about winning the silver medal, Msia have won that before back in 1996. So, hurray lets celebrate

[eaglehelang]

It would definitely help if you are consistent rather than flip flopping all over.

Well... Badmania understood what I meant . The posts in last few pages are there, you just didnt bother to make the connection .

And if one havent seen it happen before, % is very high that one wouldnt understand what it means, and thus no amount of explaining would suffice. If I've seen the impossible become possible (defying all expert opinion & logic), this.....

Back to OG badminton, on paper, all those expert baddy observers will say: LCW will be one of the favourites, but LD will top the list. If they dont defend the AE, KKK/TBH will be swhere in the middle of the pack but still one of the favourites. So, it's not in the impossible category.

Our 2nd MS & MD (barring any injuries = CTF/LWW) will be the underdogs, if they somehow manage to win gold, would be minor miracle but still not in the impossible category.

Our women's department, WMC, WPT/CEH will be the dark horses.
If the women somehow manage wins a medal, even bronze, that would be a miracle since our women never won before. This would be somewhere in the near impossible category.

If our young Julia Wong, lo & behold, for some reason, manages to get 4th place.....,that would be bigger miracle <- I dont know how young Boonsak Ponsana managed to get 4th place in 2004 OG but he did.

Before you poof poof it, remember I said I've seen the impossible happen in real life, these are not in the totally impossible category yet.

[Pemuda]

Well... Badmania understood what I meant . The posts in last few pages are there, you just didnt bother to make the connection .

And if one havent seen it happen before, % is very high that one wouldnt understand what it means, and thus no amount of explaining would suffice. If I've seen the impossible become possible (defying all expert opinion & logic), this.....

Back to OG badminton, on paper, all those expert baddy observers will say: LCW will be one of the favourites, but LD will top the list. If they dont defend the AE, KKK/TBH will be swhere in the middle of the pack but still one of the favourites. So, it's not in the impossible category.

Our 2nd MS & MD (barring any injuries = CTF/LWW) will be the underdogs, if they somehow manage to win gold, would be minor miracle but still not in the impossible category.

Our women's department, WMC, WPT/CEH will be the dark horses.
If the women somehow manage wins a medal, even bronze, that would be a miracle since our women never won before. This would be somewhere in the near impossible category.

If our young Julia Wong, lo & behold, for some reason, manages to get 4th place.....,that would be bigger miracle <- I dont know how young Boonsak Ponsana managed to get 4th place in 2004 OG but he did.

Before you poof poof it, remember I said I've seen the impossible happen in real life, these are not in the totally impossible category yet.

It was not me not taking the time to read your postings. It would greatly help me if you know what you are talking about in the first place. By that I mean, for example, this thread about Msia winning the gold is listed under 2008 badminton tournaments. But you are talking about Msia 'not necessarily winning the gold from badminton' Please refer to your post #269.

As for your *poof poof* thingy, since you have said you have seen the impossible and all and etc, then why say this ; "Back to OG : And I've stated before I dont expect KKK/TBH to win gold, or LCW or any Msian contingent" (post 287)??? Why contradict yourself??? I mean since you have witnessed the great impossible why the sudden no confidence in KKK/TBH or LCW or 'any Msian contingent' (please la this is a badminton thread!!)??

So, again if you could be consistent rather than going all over the place, it would help. Thanks.

OK ok back to OG badminton , I wont rate LCW as one of the favourites. I would rate LD & TH as favourites and maybe BCL, PG, KJ & CH as darkhorses. Frankly, I dont see LCW making the q/finals. My money is on LD but in my heart I want KJ to win

As for KKK/TBH, I am predicting a meltdown that will begin in this coming AE and I see them being packed away in the early rounds in Beijing. I rate Cai/Fu as the main favourites. But I personally want JE/ML to win.

Thats my 2sen, but anyway someone here predicted Msia winning two gold medals ... so lets see.

[badMania]

Take a look at the titles LCW have won todate. Any AEs, WCs??? LCW is a good player, that I am sure but his mentality is not strong and is known to break down in the big tournaments.

Psst: before u forget, have Taufik Hidayat won ANY AE or WC before he won that Gold Medal in Athens 2004? Oh...and he was on a wretched form prior to the Olympics, winning only the Asian Continental Championships 2004. He even threw a tantrum when Mulyo was ousted from PBSI and was one time on the books of the Singapore Badminton Association. Our uncle Loh will know better

He failed to win the AE despite reaching the Finals twice. He was seeded top to win the Olympics in 2000 and lost eventually. Likewise, he progressed to the SF of the WC 2001, but lost to the eventual champion, Hendrawan, due to injury.

The titles he won from 2001-2004 prior to the Olympics: a handful of 5 titles only in the Singapore Open 2001, Indonesia Opens 2002-2003, Asian Continental Championships 2004, and that insignificant Asian Games Gold that so many ppl thought its unimportant Thats a total of 4 GP titles and 1 "unofficial" tourney in 3 years++. Hardly Gold-Medal contender material by your standard, won't u think so? So, according to your logic, it will be wishful thinking to imagine Taufik winning that Gold medal 4 years back?

Lo and behold...he DID WIN the Gold! Incidentally, Lee Chong Wei was right at where Taufik was 4 years back....except that, his form is more consistent than Taufik's then

[badMania]

I don't think you need to win the World Championships before you can even be considered a favorite in the Olympics

Look at Alan Budi Kusuma...has he won the All England or the World Championships prior to his victory in Barcelona 92? Or Zhang Jun/Gao Ling back in 2000?