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    If inflammation is present then NSAIDs might be warranted. My preference is to use anti-inflammatory herbs instead. Glucosamine would be useful for meniscus and other cartilage issues. If it is meniscus damage, it could take the glucosamine months, even years, to have a lasting effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemicAnomaly View Post
    Almost all knee problems can be helped with rest & ice. Back off the badminton a bit to give your knee time to recover. Icing should be done shortly after exercise and again later in the day. Don't use the ice immediately prior to engaging in exercise.
    no no no I can't, I have to keep training. I've been off badminton for 3 weeks in September because of my ankle. I'm getting into shape now and I would just hate it to take a break again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemicAnomaly View Post
    If inflammation is present then NSAIDs might be warranted. My preference is to use anti-inflammatory herbs instead. Glucosamine would be useful for meniscus and other cartilage issues. If it is meniscus damage, it could take the glucosamine months, even years, to have a lasting effect.
    Oh I would settle for inflammation Don't even mention meniscus damage please, I don't have years left, I'm 23, It's too late for resting. I'm scheduled for a knee examination tomorrow so I'm hoping it's nothing serious

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    hey guys, I got checked by my doctor, and there was nothing obvious that could indicate a knee injury. It might be my knee wearing down or something. Anyway, I think I'm going to get myself some glucosamine for the cartillage just in case.
    I haven't stopped training, I don't force that right leg lounge when picking up drop shots and I try not to make any stressing moves that might cause pain. I go easy on trainings, I won't be playing singles for another week or so, then I might give it a shot to see how it feels.
    Oh and I've started doing leg exercises with weights every day, especially leg extensions.

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    take glucosamine regularly. it helps, even if it's just a little

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    Time to get new shoes, and drink more water. take 1or 2 week off. Muscles telling you're either hyper extending your leg too much, or your grinding your knee a lot.

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    you know what, now that you've mentioned it. My shoes are bad. A friend of mine bought them for me in another country, and they were WAY TOO SMALL for my feet. I think it's the SHB 99? They did stretch out a bit, but my fingers do get quite sore.
    I'm not sure if this could be the reason, but I'll definately buy new shoes now, I don't want to take any chances. Thanks!
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    As I mentioned previously it could take quite a while (weeks or months) for glucosamine to have much of an effect. Did the doctor say is inflammation was indicated?

    Still would strongly urge you to use ice after exercise -- at least 2x per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkomarci View Post
    you know what, now that you've mentioned it. My shoes are bad. A friend of mine bought them for me in another country, and they were WAY TOO SMALL for my feet. I think it's the SHB 99? They did stretch out a bit, but my fingers do get quite sore.
    I'm not sure if this could be the reason, but I'll definately buy new shoes now, I don't want to take any chances. Thanks!
    You should try some super feet green insolese and take out the oem insoles. I tell ya..it makes a difference!

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    insoles are bad idea for shoes, the shoe should have a gel pack sole. But I practice with slightly heavier shoes with the gel sole, and play with lighter shoes, makes a difference on my knees. When I practice

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    Is your doctor an orthopedic specialist? Or is he/she just a family doctor?

    Quote Originally Posted by lkomarci View Post
    hey guys, I got checked by my doctor, and there was nothing obvious that could indicate a knee injury. It might be my knee wearing down or something. Anyway, I think I'm going to get myself some glucosamine for the cartillage just in case.
    I haven't stopped training, I don't force that right leg lounge when picking up drop shots and I try not to make any stressing moves that might cause pain. I go easy on trainings, I won't be playing singles for another week or so, then I might give it a shot to see how it feels.
    Oh and I've started doing leg exercises with weights every day, especially leg extensions.

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    it's my dad's field of specialty, he's a surgeon and he is the most experienced knee surgeon here.

    But thing is, the knee scan doesn't indicate any bone damage, and no matter where he put pressure or moved the kneecap I didn't feel any pain. It's supposed to be just inflammation

    However, yesterday evening and today...I think my knee isn't in the best shape. I don't feel any pain, however, there's this very unpleasant feeling during some movements. For instance when I stand up it's like something has to pop inside my knee, it feels just like when you pop your fingers, but only its very queer and unpleasant. And it's worstening I have to admit. I talked to my dad and he advised me some time off trainings, he can't do a thing right now. I'm definately going to get some knee straps

    The way I see it on the pictures, I'm not sure if it's the anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligament or the patella itself. I hope I haven't ruined the patella socket or whatever it's called so it's become unstable or something, I dunno
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    According to what im told glucosamine is still unproven and could well be just another health supplement fad ( im too lazy to hunt down any research myself, but thats what i was last told by a doctor i was discussing it with ).
    If it takes months/years to work, how do you know its not simply the rest/natural healing over time thats fixing the issue?
    ( If i were to cut myself, and then ate ice-cream everyday, and the cut healed in a few weeks, does that mean ice-cream heals cuts?)
    So i wouldn't rely totally on that to fix the problem.



    Also, what are the anti inflammatory herbs you mentioned? i dont really know much about herbs/ herbal remedies so im always interested to find out.thanks

    Cartilage doesnt really repair itself much, so if you mess it up , its pretty much messed up for life.

    My knees were killing me recently for a while, cause im jump smashing all my smashes ( both bad for knees, and a stupid tactical decision).
    I replaced the insole in my shoes cause they were worn out, and i did some hamstring work to balance my legs as my quads were getting big and did plenty of stretching. Hey presto. knees are ok again.

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    What kind of knee scan did you have? MRI? X-Ray?

    Quote Originally Posted by lkomarci View Post
    it's my dad's field of specialty, he's a surgeon and he is the most experienced knee surgeon here.

    But thing is, the knee scan doesn't indicate any bone damage, and no matter where he put pressure or moved the kneecap I didn't feel any pain. It's supposed to be just inflammation

    However, yesterday evening and today...I think my knee isn't in the best shape. I don't feel any pain, however, there's this very unpleasant feeling during some movements. For instance when I stand up it's like something has to pop inside my knee, it feels just like when you pop your fingers, but only its very queer and unpleasant. And it's worstening I have to admit. I talked to my dad and he advised me some time off trainings, he can't do a thing right now. I'm definately going to get some knee straps

    The way I see it on the pictures, I'm not sure if it's the anterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligament or the patella itself. I hope I haven't ruined the patella socket or whatever it's called so it's become unstable or something, I dunno

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    Yeah, you get that right!

    Quote Originally Posted by mojopin View Post
    Cartilage doesnt really repair itself much, so if you mess it up , its pretty much messed up for life.

    My knees were killing me recently for a while, cause im jump smashing all my smashes ( both bad for knees, and a stupid tactical decision).
    I replaced the insole in my shoes cause they were worn out, and i did some hamstring work to balance my legs as my quads were getting big and did plenty of stretching. Hey presto. knees are ok again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD View Post
    What kind of knee scan did you have? MRI? X-Ray?
    both are used, but for a sports injury like this , an ultrasound would be great, cause you can see inflammatory process in the soft tissue and tendons and stuff. And its cheap, fast and no radiation


    if anyone wants lots of useful info and random knee related crap:

    http://www.kneeclinic.info/index.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojopin View Post
    According to what im told glucosamine is still unproven and could well be just another health supplement fad ( im too lazy to hunt down any research myself, but thats what i was last told by a doctor i was discussing it with ).

    If it takes months/years to work, how do you know its not simply the rest/natural healing over time thats fixing the issue?
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    Cartilage doesnt really repair itself much, so if you mess it up , its pretty much messed up for life...
    I believe that you are correct in that last statement above -- cartilage generally has very limited ability to repair/rebuild itself.

    Therefore, if cartilage repair is seen after an extended period of supplementation with GS (glucosamine sulfate), then it would appear that the glucosamine is beneficial -- since naturally healing for cartilage damage appears to be unlikely (or extremely limited).

    It would appear that clinical studies of GS have shown mixed results. However, many of those studies have been short-term (6 months or less), often with rather small sample sizes. I am aware of at least 2 long-term (3-year duration) placebo-controlled studies that demonstrated a clear benefit of GS treatment. At least one of those studies was conducted by Rottapharm (in case you'd care to do the research).

    Glucosamine hardly appears to be a passing fad -- supplementation has been around at least since the 1980s. I experienced arthritis in my racket hand when I was 40. After 4-6 months of GS supplementation, the problem completely disappeared and has not returned -- that was 15 yrs ago. Seems unlikely that type of problem would heal itself and then not reappear after 15 yrs.

    The meniscus damage (in my knee) also happened in the early 1990s. That problem was rather severe and took quite a few years to repair.

    Not sure about medical practices in Ireland but am well aware of Western medicine practices in the US. Most physicians here are part of the big-business medical community -- large pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, expensive surgical procedures, etc. Most doctors here are inclined to prescribe pharmaceutical drugs (fraught with side effects) rather than alternatives that are more natural or are of a preventative nature.

    With that said, it is interesting to note that many doctors in the US encourage the use of GS while many others do not.

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