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    Did anyone watch the game against CJ?? seems that LCW is trying to play slow rally games instead of his usual game. Is it that this game plan is working well for him or the injury is still troubling him or he wanna keep extra energy against BCL in the final??

    a bit confused.............he's moving so slow.

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    he's using chen jin's poison against him... i.e. defensive style....
    different strategies for different players... I dont think he's injured...

    Quote Originally Posted by alfa-2 View Post
    Did anyone watch the game against CJ?? seems that LCW is trying to play slow rally games instead of his usual game. Is it that this game plan is working well for him or the injury is still troubling him or he wanna keep extra energy against BCL in the final??

    a bit confused.............he's moving so slow.

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    are you sure CJ's weapon is the defense?? hmmm...........

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    Default LCW deserved to lose to BCL in the final

    I haven't seen LCW play for quite some time now as I did not have access to the live telecasts nor TV replays. Many fans were excited about his new found style, maybe largely influenced by that of his coach Misbun, of more rallying it seems. This is what I gathered from the posts here.

    But yesterday, I saw both LCW and WMC in action in the CO 2007 finals, courtesy of TV1.

    Of course WMC has already done very well to reach the final, beating the legendary Zhang Ning in the SF, Zhu Lin in the QF and ex-China player, Pi Hongyan earlier. And to conquer WR1 XXF in the final to take the title is a dream come true for WMC, who deserved every bit of it. I can't remember any Malaysian lady player eliminating a row of China players on her way to the title, and in China too! Now who says her coach Wong Tat Meng is second rate and Li Mao is better?

    Unlike WMC, LCW did not show the calm coolness, grit and determination expected of a champion in the final. He was disturbed by the line calls and even disputed with the umpire over his "tap over the net" incident. His focus had been distracted and he could not find it back in time!

    On the other hand, his opponent Bao Chunlai had only one purpose in mind and he singularly sought out all his energies to achieving it. He was a leader throughout the match, LCW the follower. BCL was in command and totally destroyed LCW's more defensive game.

    BCL confirmed that 'attack is the best form of defense' and even LCW's sound defense had to succumb in the end. LCW tried to rally, but BCL simply cut this short by his height and swift overhead cross-court smash. LCW was left scurrying all over the court and forced to make uncharacteristic errors. So it was no surprise that the match lasted less than 40 min, about 20 min for each game of 21-12, 21-13. It must have been one of the worst showings by LCW in a final.

    Yes, LCW cannot stick to one style only. He must vary his style according to the circumstances. To do this he must know his opponent well and what sort of latest changes they have made to their own styles. Perhaps, his lady teammate, WMC, is better at this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    I haven't seen LCW play for quite some time now as I did not have access to the live telecasts nor TV replays. Many fans were excited about his new found style, maybe largely influenced by that of his coach Misbun, of more rallying it seems. This is what I gathered from the posts here.

    But yesterday, I saw both LCW and WMC in action in the CO 2007 finals, courtesy of TV1.

    Of course WMC has already done very well to reach the final, beating the legendary Zhang Ning in the SF, Zhu Lin in the QF and ex-China player, Pi Hongyan earlier. And to conquer WR1 XXF in the final to take the title is a dream come true for WMC, who deserved every bit of it. I can't remember any Malaysian lady player eliminating a row of China players on her way to the title, and in China too! Now who says her coach Wong Tat Meng is second rate and Li Mao is better?

    Unlike WMC, LCW did not show the calm coolness, grit and determination expected of a champion in the final. He was disturbed by the line calls and even disputed with the umpire over his "tap over the net" incident. His focus had been distracted and he could not find it back in time!

    On the other hand, his opponent Bao Chunlai had only one purpose in mind and he singularly sought out all his energies to achieving it. He was a leader throughout the match, LCW the follower. BCL was in command and totally destroyed LCW's more defensive game.

    BCL confirmed that 'attack is the best form of defense' and even LCW's sound defense had to succumb in the end. LCW tried to rally, but BCL simply cut this short by his height and swift overhead cross-court smash. LCW was left scurrying all over the court and forced to make uncharacteristic errors. So it was no surprise that the match lasted less than 40 min, about 20 min for each game of 21-12, 21-13. It must have been one of the worst showings by LCW in a final.

    Yes, LCW cannot stick to one style only. He must vary his style according to the circumstances. To do this he must know his opponent well and what sort of latest changes they have made to their own styles. Perhaps, his lady teammate, WMC, is better at this!
    Spot on!! Agree fully.

    Refreshing to find someone here who sees the bigger picture.

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    Well explained LOH.. you did a better job at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Yes, LCW cannot stick to one style only. He must vary his style according to the circumstances. To do this he must know his opponent well and what sort of latest changes they have made to their own styles. Perhaps, his lady teammate, WMC, is better at this!
    Too bad he still has injury so can't really deploy his killer weapon all the time.

    About your opinion of LCW should be calmed during those calls are being made. I totally disagree, when it's a mistake, it's forgivable, understandable...........It was clearly a conspiracy. This is not war, nor politics, this is badminton.......hope u get it.

    Read this post from a linesman of CO......find out the truth yourself, i don't wanna risk this thread being closed by elaborating long here.
    http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/A...000&ID=2820028

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    Default Gameplan is fine

    LCW would have won the match if it was held in a neutral place. To me, the final scoreline doesn't reflect the whole thing. Undeniably, BCL outplayed LCW in every aspect but LCW was not playing his best in that situation. LCW have given up the match at one point. Yes, I agreed with u that LCW should have stayed focused and not distracted by the bad line calls and judging. Still, there is nothing wrong with LCW's gameplan.

    I strongly believe that Taufik would have forfeited the match as what he did in Hong Kong Open last year if he was in LCW's shoes.

    In the post-match interview, LCW said that he could sense the atmosphere in Beijing Olympic as far as linejudging is concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfa-2 View Post
    Too bad he still has injury so can't really deploy his killer weapon all the time.

    About your opinion of LCW should be calmed during those calls are being made. I totally disagree, when it's a mistake, it's forgivable, understandable...........It was clearly a conspiracy. This is not war, nor politics, this is badminton.......hope u get it.

    Read this post from a linesman of CO......find out the truth yourself, i don't wanna risk this thread being closed by elaborating long here.
    http://www.chinabadminton.com/ball/A...000&ID=2820028
    Did you see how WMC reacte to the injustice against her? WMC played under almost the same conditions as LCW and yet she managed to maintain her composure and beat the world no.1.

    Even though LCW is just human, why can't he emulate the better side of WMC? Why must he let his better side be changed adversely? Why should he follow the bad examples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Did you see how WMC reacte to the injustice against her? WMC played under almost the same conditions as LCW and yet she managed to maintain her composure and beat the world no.1.

    Even though LCW is just human, why can't he emulate the better side of WMC? Why must he let his better side be changed adversely? Why should he follow the bad examples?
    Luckily Yap Kim Hock was seated way back in the stands or else LCW will blame him as well.

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    we all know LCW always a bit weak in mental aspects. different people reacts differently. i am sad he lost, more sad he lost it that way (like giving up because of the bad judgings). but past is past. we hope for a better prepared (at least mentally because surely these kind of bias judging will be around for a long long time) LCW in the future. yes, i also think if it were taufik, he would have packed his bag and just leave. i am happy for WMC though because she finally showed what she is made of.

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    as a normal badminton lover
    if i play with my friends and there is unfair judgement,
    i oso will upset and wanna throw the racquet at my friend's face
    LCW did not do that, at least he never treat badminton like soccer (remember PSH vs BCL match?)
    LCW shows that he improved a lot in mental toughness..
    give him time...he will come back stronger..
    coz he is our hero...have faith in him....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    Luckily Yap Kim Hock was seated way back in the stands or else LCW will blame him as well.

    LOL, did you not see the stern face of YKH. He was not smiling. I am sure if LCW had seen the face, YKH would have been in trouble again coz complaints would be levelled at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Did you see how WMC reacte to the injustice against her? WMC played under almost the same conditions as LCW and yet she managed to maintain her composure and beat the world no.1.

    Even though LCW is just human, why can't he emulate the better side of WMC? Why must he let his better side be changed adversely? Why should he follow the bad examples?

    LOH there was only one bad call against WMC, if she had several such calls I wonder if she would not have done the same as LCW.

    Tolerance is one thing but continuous outrageous calls is another. Just as an example, whenever I say something out of range about you, you react like an uncontrollable beacon. Ask yourself why you couldn't be WMC ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball View Post
    LOH there was only one bad call against WMC, if she had several such calls I wonder if she would not have done the same as LCW.

    Tolerance is one thing but continuous outrageous calls is another. Just as an example, whenever I say something out of range about you, you react like an uncontrollable beacon. Ask yourself why you couldn't be WMC ?
    Can't blame you for reacting like what LCW did during his match against BCL, and that was one major reason why he lost. Like him, you should develop greater mental strength, and have greater control over your faculties!

    Right now, you are shooting off just like your "uncontrollable beacon", if ever there was such a thing. Sure you're LCW's die-hard fan and just couldn't take even constructive criticisms. To associate our past dialogues with LCW's match behaviour and your question on why I can't be like WMC is just out of sync, shows how subjective and insensible you can be and the weakness of your argument.

    If you care to take another look at her match, apart from other misdemeanours, WMC tolerated XXF's deliberate controversy on the change of shuttles and her unnecessary delays to get ready. On many occasions, Mew Choo even had to pick the shuttle from XXF's side of the court just to get the game going. The incidents may not be identical but just as testing!

    But Mew Choo took it all in her stride and remained calm, cool, focused and determined. Even after getting a thrashing in the second game and trailing in the first half of the decider, she did not give up or seek out opportunities to make a scene to cause unnecessary delays. She knew that some decisions will be biased against her, but she was determined not to be distracted and fought on with her sole purpose of taking the title.

    And Mew Choo got her just rewards in the end. Every one of her fans rejoiced with her when she jumped around with glee like a happy girl and burst out some tears of joy in the process. Despite all odds against her, Mew Choo survived them all to beat the world no.1.

    What a question from you: "Ask yourself why couldn't you be WMC"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    Spot on!! Agree fully.

    Refreshing to find someone here who sees the bigger picture.
    I don't know man but I think that's another bigger picture out of the "bigger picture" to me.

    See at this timing, without even condemning the walkover, many unfair calls to spoil the game and apparently an intentional and with pre-arranged(having CCTV not to take close up on bad calls) one, but instead going blatantly on how bad one at dealing with the situation, which shouldn't be allowed to happen at the first place.

    It's nonetheless has a point but a very moot one at these times if you ask me because it gives an impression that it is "quite okay" to do this and everyone should start thinking on how to deal with much more of this in the future. It is a problem of not only LCW, but the whole world including Bao is suffered from it. This is serious in terms of the name of the badminton, especially at these times people working hard to promote the game to the whole world. It's seems inappropriate to me to bring out all these mental toughness and what not to cover the bigger issues at hand and make it look like less worth the attention.

    I'm sure if the chinese officers somehow see this or heard about this and they will 100% take this as their supportive voices, meant it or you don't. It does not take someone with a degree in badminton studies understand that LCW isn't that good in the mental's department. It worth a mention but I would certainly rated it down at these times for the sake of the bigger picture you are talking about.

    I see so much resemblance of the Malaysian ministers and UMNO big shots way of dealing with problems. When someone is raped, instead of giving all the attention of catching the raper and punish to where it due, the guys suddenly find it appropriate to shout that the girls wearing sexy which doesn't really that sexy, and not her fault at all (which doesn't really his fault to lose when people cheated on him). Or when grieving parents whose 7 years old daughter being kidnapped, physically and sexually abused (till her parents won't even recognize their own baby girl) and finally killed and dumped in a bag, the police officers blamed the parents for not taking good care of their child.

    Pardon my English, and thank in advance for any kind attempts of correction, please.

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    International Sports & Politicis seems to match each others nowadays… Sports need money from ministry, Ministry needs support from sport… KKK&TBH parade in perak?

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