Six-Point Suspension Vs. Six-Point Internal

[BadFever]

Stringing machines should be designed to meet the need of the customers. We have come a long way from the days of wooden racquets used in badminton, when the safest way to string a racquet was using a one-pc stringing job starting with the mains and then doing the crosses from the throat end towards the top, in the interest of safety from racquet breakage.
In badminton the highest tension must be at the top part of the stringbed, in particular from tensions from the crosses, and starting the crosses from the top with a real starting knot is the gold standard for the best playability. Typically, the first two cross strings at the top are strung at a tension that is 15% higher than the mains tension, the next 12 strings are strung at a tension 12% higher than the mains, and the remaining crosses bar the last one at 10% higher than the mains, and the last cross at the throat end at 20% higher than the mains. Stringing the crosses from the bottom towards the top will take the modern game of badminton to a much lower standard. You may want to keep this mind.

So, after so many years, you finally revealed how you string. Sounds a bit like Propotional Stringing Method, with a twist.

[stringtechno]

I do understand the discussion about manufacturers trying to promote their products on message-boards.
My questions are:
* Why would message boards not be used to bring manufacturers and users in contact with each other so that the users have more influence on the design of the products?
* What is wrong with technical information behind the design of stringing machines when everybody can give their opinion about that including other manufacturers?
* Is it wrong when manufacturers can use the message boards to ask the opinions of users about new products (like with our cross stringing tool)?

We feel that a product can only become as good as possible when we know every detailed comment of users.

stringtechno

[Oldhand]

I do understand the discussion about manufacturers trying to promote their products on message-boards.
My questions are:
* Why would message boards not be used to bring manufacturers and users in contact with each other so that the users have more influence on the design of the products?
* What is wrong with technical information behind the design of stringing machines when everybody can give their opinion about that including other manufacturers?
* Is it wrong when manufacturers can use the message boards to ask the opinions of users about new products (like with our cross stringing tool)?

We feel that a product can only become as good as possible when we know every detailed comment of users.

stringtechno

You have raised open points.
However, we don't want this thread to go off-topic with a discussion on these issues.

Please stay on topic here.
You could always ask this elsewhere in the forum

[maa2003]

Stringing machines should be designed to meet the need of the customers. We have come a long way from the days of wooden racquets used in badminton, when the safest way to string a racquet was using a one-pc stringing job starting with the mains and then doing the crosses from the throat end towards the top, in the interest of safety from racquet breakage.
In badminton the highest tension must be at the top part of the stringbed, in particular from tensions from the crosses, and starting the crosses from the top with a real starting knot is the gold standard for the best playability. Typically, the first two cross strings at the top are strung at a tension that is 15% higher than the mains tension, the next 12 strings are strung at a tension 12% higher than the mains, and the remaining crosses bar the last one at 10% higher than the mains, and the last cross at the throat end at 20% higher than the mains. Stringing the crosses from the bottom towards the top will take the modern game of badminton to a much lower standard. You may want to keep this mind.

2-point holddown system has limits on stringing at very high tension, if you string the crosses from the top at 15% higher tension than the mains. However, it is very popular with professional stringers who count on large throughput or volume because it is the most speedy machine to string. At tensions above 30lbs, most stringers with 2-point machines revert to one-pc stringing or to stringing the crosses from the middle but at the expense of playability.
In badminton the racquet is compressible from the sides and from the top, the former on the top half and the latter also on the top half. It is very important to maintain this status quo after stringing at very high tension, i.e. the shape must be exactly the same before and after stringing. It is also very important from a playability point to have the highest tension at the top half. Whether it is 2-point, 4-point, or 6-point the most important place to look for to prevent any "squeezing" of the top frame downwards is the waist location, i.e. 4-5 o'clock and 7-8 o'clock. Lock down these locations securely and the major problem to very high tension stringing with the crosses starting at the top will be no problem.

this is what I'm looking for ..... thanks.

[KingO]

I do understand the discussion about manufacturers trying to promote their products on message-boards.
My questions are:
* Why would message boards not be used to bring manufacturers and users in contact with each other so that the users have more influence on the design of the products?
* What is wrong with technical information behind the design of stringing machines when everybody can give their opinion about that including other manufacturers?
* Is it wrong when manufacturers can use the message boards to ask the opinions of users about new products (like with our cross stringing tool)?

We feel that a product can only become as good as possible when we know every detailed comment of users.

stringtechno

I apologize stringtechno. I did not realize that this forum does not frown on manufacturers promoting their products, unlike the TW tennis forum. Sorry!

It is irrelevant for me to address your questions here, but if you are interested, PM me and I will be glad to oblige.

KingO

[Oldhand]

I apologize stringtechno. I did not realize that this forum does not frown on manufacturers promoting their products, unlike the TW tennis forum. Sorry!

It is irrelevant for me to address your questions here, but if you are interested, PM me and I will be glad to oblige.

KingO

You are mistaken, KingO

This forum heavily frowns on any form of commercial activity.
That includes promotional campaigns by manufacturers.

[Oldhand]

Guys, sorry for the outburst. I would recommend moving a good portion of the discussion from this thread to:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=49615 and

merge

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=49615 with

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=54858

There maybe other threads of similar nature in the Stringing Techniques & Tools. We will find them sooner or later . . .

Pete, could you PM me?
I need help to identify the posts that have gone off-topic.
This subject is beyond my lay powers of comprehension

[KooGuy]

I do understand the discussion about manufacturers trying to promote their products on message-boards.
My questions are:
* Why would message boards not be used to bring manufacturers and users in contact with each other so that the users have more influence on the design of the products?
* What is wrong with technical information behind the design of stringing machines when everybody can give their opinion about that including other manufacturers?
* Is it wrong when manufacturers can use the message boards to ask the opinions of users about new products (like with our cross stringing tool)?

We feel that a product can only become as good as possible when we know every detailed comment of users.

stringtechno

Not sure I really understand the guideline at BF...but I really appreciate your technical information provided so far. I think through feedback from members, a better stringing equipment will be developed for badminton community in the future.

[ProStringer]

OLDHAND: I agree with you 100% and I apologize to the real contributors to this thread.
Don't interpret my questions as a personal attack. I was encouraged to visit this thread because of the ingenious and creative solutions by the people who first posted to this thread. In 30+ years of professional racquet sport stringing, I have admired the ability of stringers from all racquet sports to create ingenious solutions to situations and dilemmas that arise from time to time. You're never too old or too experienced to learn something.

StringTechno's posts are inappropriate for this thread. He skillfully changes the thread from "hybrid Quantum" to the theory of frame distortion according to Stringway, a competitor of Laserfibre.

I agree that freedom of speech is one thing, but blatant advertising in a forum devoted to sharing ideas about modifications to a particular machine is inappropriate and just plain wrong. Unfortunately, Stringtechno has a very long history of doing this type of thing in other forums along with friends of his.

Let's get back to the subject: Laserfibre Quantum Hybrid machines and see what stringers have come up with. Enough with the commercials.

[blundey]

I didnt think for a second when reading this thread that techno was advertising for stringway. In fact I found his findings quite an interesting read. Again at no point did i think oh i better by a new machine!

That said, a very informative post, keep the info rolling

[stringtechno]

Hi guys,

We had an internal discussion about our badminton support some time ago and we tested the new idea with some experienced badminton stringers.

The idea is simple very logical and easy to use for every stringer with a Stringway machine.
Therefore this update;

We call it “The other way around”.
For badminton racquets, which are always wider at the throat, it is better to support the wider head with the 3 supports and the throat with the 2 like the photo shows:
It also improves the reach of the clamps.
Our tests have shown that the support is better and the stringers agree.


To make it possible you can do 2 things:
- Switch the posts around so that the stop will be at the site of the shaft again.
- Remove the nylon stopper from the frame, which might be good for badminton anyway.

I hope you agree and I would like to hear your opinion about this.

Stringtechno

[Pete LSD]

This is better .

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...erfibre&page=5

[stringtechno]

I doubt it, it is important to put the inside supporta at a distance where the racquet moves inwards. outside points A the racquet moves outwards and it is no use to position inside supports there. I think that the outside supports on the 3 point

For reaching the last cross strings the option of 2 head support plates is certainly not better.

We do not have to agree as long as we have a nice discussion.

Stringtechno

[Pete LSD]

That T press-down device was originally meant for the throat. It had almost zero grip and almost no contact area with the badminton frame: the frame would slide and twist. I wouldn't trust it. The setup with two-head plates locks down the frame and provides solid & even support to the head area.

The machine isn't designed for badminton in the first place. No matter how we muck around with it, the last and frist cross strings will be impossible for the fixed clamps to get to. What I do is to unscrew the press down when I have the last cross under tension and clamp it with the flying clamps.

I doubt it, it is important to put the inside supporta at a distance where the racquet moves inwards. outside points A the racquet moves outwards and it is no use to position inside supports there. I think that the outside supports on the 3 point

For reaching the last cross strings the option of 2 head support plates is certainly not better.

We do not have to agree as long as we have a nice discussion.

Stringtechno

[stringtechno]

It feels a little funny that you tell the designer where it was designed for.

But the T-bar is not meant to clamp with the bar and the central piece at the same time, the bar was meant for Y-shaped racquets.

What machines are specially meant for badminton?
Certainly not all those with outside support so close to the middle of the frame, because that is technically rather wrong.

Stringtechno

[Pete LSD]

Then why show the photos with the T press-down device if it is not meant for the average badminton frames with the traditional t joint?

In 2006, I actually used the T press-down device when it came with the LaserFibre MS-200. The contraception did not prevent the frame from movement and twisting.

As stated previously, Exthree AM-600 and Victor C-7030 are designed specifically for badminton.

It feels a little funny that you tell the designer where it was designed for.

But the T-bar is not meant to clamp with the bar and the central piece at the same time, the bar was meant for Y-shaped racquets.

What machines are specially meant for badminton?
Certainly not all those with outside support so close to the middle of the frame, because that is technically rather wrong.

Stringtechno

[stringtechno]

Pete please,

The T-bar piece is a universal piece, the bar is not in the way at all.

And we just took a quick picture with an old racquet to show the system.

About the 2 machines:
It seems obvious that designers have different opinions about the best solutions in this case.

I thought that it was you who explained that a direct support is better.