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Thread: Li Yongbo ( 李永波 )
11-17-2007, 04:29 PM #171
So am I in the "anti-everyone else" category?
11-17-2007, 11:53 PM #172
You want to see badminton as a team sport? Well, there's Thomas Cup, Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup.
When coaches resort to match order tactics , it means their charges are not good enough or they are not confident of their charges being able to win on their own merit.
11-18-2007, 12:37 AM #173
There is no legal issue here, Li Yongbo entitled to do what he had done before and will continue to enforce his beliefs during Olympic but is this good for badminton which is still trying to stay as one of the Olympic sports?
Lets say the coming Olympic has a "funny" draw with the following match up in QF:
Lin Dan vs Bao Chunlai;
Taufik Hidayat vs Soni Kuncoro;
Peter Gade vs Kenneth Jonassen;
Lee Chong Wei vs Wong Choon Hann;
Every country knows Li Yongbo will order Bao to lose and not to be at the disadvantage side, similar orders are also made from other QF nations, can you see the dilemma? TV rating will dip, title honor will taint and this sport may even be the laughing stock ...
Come to think of it, will Yap Kim Hock, Morten Frost, Christian Hadinata actually take the same route as Li Yongbo? Really don't wish to find out this darkest day of badminton era.
11-18-2007, 12:46 AM #174
If you mean the fault lies with other competitors not being up to par with China then I'm quite sure 'everyone else' agrees with you in a nutshell.
However, the topic concentrates on something that is beyond the control their competitors and organisers which is solely within the jurisdiction and rights of the team itself.
Sportmanship is an ideal in sports but the ultimate aim of a competition is to win. As mentioned earlier in this thread - if you're first you're first, if you're second you're nothing.
11-18-2007, 01:16 AM #175
i believe there is no right answer here because everyone is judging this lyb's action from their own moral standard. Moral is often not black and white and therefore we all have difference degree of opinion on this, even on both pro and con sides. BWF didnt penalized china for this, IOC didn't change any things because of this, danish team didn't lodge any complaints now or back in 2000. It was LYB who voluntary disclose his action publicly recently, not even YZY spoken out. If LYB made a public admittance to this, i'm sure he 'personally' feel it was right thing to do at that time. I mean, who wanna disclose their dirty laundary voluntarily unless he thot it was done for a reason, to lyb, a noble reason.
I dont know what ranking yzy and gzc were back then but if they were seeded 1 and 2, they should be on a different ladder, and one of them would meet up CM in the SF, not 2 chinese in the SF.
Last edited by cooler; 11-18-2007 at 01:25 AM.
11-18-2007, 05:43 AM #176
Why was YZY sad when the Gold medal went to China?
Is it because that (in this thread) it happened to be LYB, the coach of China, who was doing the match fixing that has caused you to think that many of us (as you put it, as "everyone else") are against China as a top Badminton nation ?
If your answer is 'YES', then I am sorry to say that you are wrong.
We do respect and do admire China as a top Badminton nation.
The "everyone else" are really not against China, but against the match fixing.
If any other nations are doing it, those nations will be not be condoned as well.
This thread started with LBY saying (in an article translated by Han), as quoted below;
And then read my post, as quoted below;
Why did you think (as translated by robin7) that YZY cried.
And then cooler posted;
Of course, BWF, IOC and the Danish team did not/could not say anything. Outsiders cannot interfere with the internal affairs of the Chinese team (or teams of any other nations).
The only thing we can say or ask is "Why was YZY so sad when the Gold medal went to China?"
Now we all know...
The World Champion was fired by her coach.
PS: Many members@BC, including myself, believe that YZY is the rightful owner of the Gold medal. We know that she could beat CM. LYB should not have denied her the opportunity.
11-18-2007, 09:34 AM #177
11-18-2007, 04:03 PM #178
11-18-2007, 07:57 PM #179
Everyone else gives him the opportunity... He decides to take advantage of that opportunity, and nobody can blame him. If anybody is so against it, why not be the next superstar(+ find a few others) and constantly beat LYB's students just so you can be the one doing something about it, and not just talk about it.
11-18-2007, 09:05 PM #180
11-18-2007, 09:20 PM #181
(to some, it's a classic... to others, it's hardcore stuff )
As I'd just finished reading the latest posts on LYB, the quote struck me as quite an apt one to describe his predicament (well, one of his own making)
11-18-2007, 11:04 PM #182
11-20-2007, 01:07 AM #183
True sportsmanship will not be displayed when players participate in 'fixed' matches
I agree with you when you mentioned "Everyone else gives him(LYB) the opportunity(to fix matches)". This is because nobody wants to interfere with another person's reason/decision.
You will have followed the arguments in this thread... everyone is saying that match fixing is not illegal.
But when we say that an opportunity is 'not illegal', we are not saying that that opportunity is the only way to do it. We have to think of what is right or wrong, for players and fans.
Actually, LYB has upset players and fans inside China, as well.
Some of the people that LYB has upset are;
1. Some better players who are denied the opportunity to represent/win for China.
2. Some fans wishing to watch spirited matches, regardless of which Chinese province the players come from.
Why do you think when many of us@Badminton Central have said that when the top 2 Chinese players are playing each other, it is not as interesting as the top 2 players of another nation (say, Denmark, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, etc...) are playing each other?
Answer: We could see that the true sportsmanship and fighting spirit of the Chinese players are not displayed when a decision has already been made... that is, to play the match as a 'fixed match'.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 11-20-2007 at 01:18 AM.
11-20-2007, 03:26 AM #184
11-20-2007, 08:51 AM #185
Checking on the QR in CHN07 flooded with names of CHN players never heard of before except for a few, that give us an insight on the next wave of players coming up compared to the rest of the world...
11-20-2007, 08:54 AM #186
11-20-2007, 08:59 AM #187
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