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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    The biggest surprise is Macao names;so many it's like they are there to give their opponents an easy ride.Did MCO07 have that many MCO players?
    I just scanned this morning, noticed a sea of red from CHN and HK and overlook the green flag, you are correct lots of MC player, QR is dominated by CHN, MC and HK..let's see the winner of QR proceed to 1st round and how they fare...one name in particular is Gong Wie Jie in MS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    Either you have lots of time on hand to romance with poems or just that you are one old romantic bugger...
    He just listened to a lot of music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    The biggest surprise is Macao names;so many it's like they are there to give their opponents an easy ride.Did MCO07 have that many MCO players?
    No green flag left after 1st round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    "No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat."「不管白猫、猫,逮住老鼠就是好猫。」
    unfortunately, this is not always the right thing to do. look where china is now. yes, it appears that china is getting more and more advanced, but the pollution, corruption, and crime has also gone through the roof. for example, if there's a mouse in a museum, does that mean the cat can run around, knock everything down, and destroy the whole museum just to catch that mouse? isn't the overall effect more destructive than if a mouse was caught in a less "violent" sense.

    but this isn't just a Chinese belief, that people can be sacrificed so the country benefits. for all those who think of westerners as being "civilized", there's a saying in the western world armies. ""The mission before the man". western officers are discouraged from making friends with their own troops. they are to see the soldiers as a disposable tool to getting the job done.

    so i don't think it's just a chinese problem. the question really comes down to when it's worth it? in a time of war, then lives are less important than a country's survival. in the olympic finals...maybe...maybe not. it's not really up to us to judge what is more important, and what Li Yongbo did was right or wrong in the 2000 Olympics.

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    Originally Posted by cooler
    "No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat."「不管白猫、猫,逮住老鼠就是好猫。
    A mousetrap is more efficient

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    A mousetrap is more efficient
    Chinese there don' buy cat foods for cats. Cats have to feed themself.
    Last edited by cooler; 11-24-2007 at 03:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    Chinese there don' buy cat foods for cats. Cats have to feed themself.
    Then what's this cat-food company doing in China?
    http://coolpet.en.ec21.com/company_info.jsp

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    Chinese there don' buy cat foods for cats. Cats have to feed themself.
    read carefully

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Then what's this cat-food company doing in China?
    http://coolpet.en.ec21.com/company_info.jsp
    to make money from oversea export

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    read carefully
    to make money from oversea export
    good one

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    Question Who are the champions outside China ?

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post

    Answer: We could see that the true sportsmanship and fighting spirit of the Chinese players (when they play each other) are not displayed when a decision has already been made... that is, to play the match as a 'fixed match'.

    Now that LYB has decided for his players not to participate in the Super Series Finals, we might get to see all matches in the SS Finals played with greater fighting spirit, to determine who are the champions outside China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
    Now that LYB has decided for his players not to participate in the Super Series Finals, we might get to see all matches in the SS Finals played with greater fighting spirit, to determine who are the champions outside China.

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    lyb want to see that too
    Is this match fixing too, on a colossial scale??
    Last edited by cooler; 11-27-2007 at 03:38 AM.

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    Funny that without China, we should be able to see matches with more fighting spirit...

    Past histories...
    - Korean players were fined for not trying when playing their country man;
    - Christian Hadinata not challenging Rudy Hartono in singles;
    - Liem Swie King losing to Rudy Hartono in World Championships finals;
    - Liem Swie King losing to Icuk Sugiarto in World Championships finals;

    etc., etc.,

    Just China? Maybe. Li Yongbo was honest (or stupid depending how each person sees this incident) to admit what he did.

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    Thumbs up LYB is most determined to get 5 GOLD medals for China in Badminton

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post

    lyb want to see that too

    Yeah, and seriously, many of us, including LYB, would want to see who are the champions outside China who could be Beijing Olympics medals contenders.

    LYB has let known that he is most determined to get 5 GOLD medals for China in Badminton. So he should be watching the SS Finals with case study and analysis.

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    Thumbs down "Pretend matches" are not good to watch

    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post

    Funny that without China, we should be able to see matches with more fighting spirit...

    The key word is that "all" matches might be played with greater fighting spirit, and with no Walkover given.

    Yes, most of the complains in the past were mainly directed to matches when players were playing against fellow countryman, as like what happened as posted as POST#1 of this thread.

    It is so unfortunate that there are so many good players from China... that we frequently see Chinese players playing against each other or giving WO to each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post

    Maybe, Li Yongbo was honest (or stupid depending how each person sees this incident) to admit what he did.

    It's good that LYB is honest with what he did say, like in POST#1 of this thread. He knows that what he did was not illegal, therefore he wasn't afraid to admit it.

    The only complain from us Badminton fans is that some good fighting spirited matches were not played as they should.

    "Pretend matches" are not good to watch.

    Walkovers matches are even worse... no match to watch.

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    Walking over fellow countrymates is nothing new… but badminton is different from Tennis. Badminton is more country base, where the national team train together while tennis are more individual base where players are profesional are trained by their own coach. But playing dirty is unacceptable, corrupting the linesman… That what we call over did it

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    Default End The Farce By Bettering Them

    As someone (was it bananakid?) said earlier, the solution lies in finding people who can beat Li Yongbo's clutch of players.

    Imagine if someone had done a Park Sung Hwan on Bao Chunlai in an earlier round, Li Yongbo wouldn't have had a chance to arange his regular walkovers and easy matches.

    But, simply put, that was not to be

    And it didn't help at all that Taufik chose to stay away from it all
    (At least Lin Dan was spared all the trouble because he got clobbered early )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    As someone (was it bananakid?) said earlier, the solution lies in finding people who can beat Li Yongbo's clutch of players.

    Imagine if someone had done a Park Sung Hwan on Bao Chunlai in an earlier round, Li Yongbo wouldn't have had a chance to arange his regular walkovers and easy matches.

    But, simply put, that was not to be

    And it didn't help at all that Taufik chose to stay away from it all
    (At least Lin Dan was spared all the trouble because he got clobbered early )
    Of course it wouldn't be a problem if CHN just had poor players never making it trough the early rounds :P...

    But it seems like a silly argument..

    Only if other countries where much superior to players from china, the benefit of wo:s, thrown matches would not be an issue.. Otherwise they would always benefit to do this compared to the other players, that have to fight each match for an "honest" win, even against their countrymen.

    /T

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