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Thread: Li Yongbo ( 李永波 )
11-28-2007, 11:54 AM #222
The problem I see here, is a lot of ppl only look at 1 side of the story, then jump on to conclusion. They feel bad for their own players, but never thought their own players should NEVER even been in OG to begin with, if they allow the higher ranked CHN to enter.
The other problem is, nowdays ppl are selfish, and only want to enjoy the benefit from a contract, but refuse to take the responsibility. To me, join a team is like signing a contract. You surely will receive some benefit for your work, but more important, you need to know what duty/responsibility you need to face as well. Individual pride/success is important, but should not overcome the team's need.
Of course, you don't have to agree with the contract, but then you have every right to leave the team, just live and train on your own. Tell me enjoy all the benefits from the team, then suddenly screaming for "total freedom" when the responsibility comes, great deal...
11-28-2007, 12:02 PM #223
11-28-2007, 12:18 PM #224
In theory, your point is corrrect. However, in reality, don't you think CHN (or, very slim chance for another power house in a particular event) is the actual target? The BWF and OG makes such rules, in theory to show the "fairness", but the real result is to limit CHN from gaining more medals.
Of course, it affects every nation, but 99% of them are the ones being on the benefit side, as now, their not-as-good player can participate. Only CHN (or, slim chance to another nation in a paricular event) is on the losing side, as their WC champion can't even make the team...
11-28-2007, 12:57 PM #225
What LYB is doing is not illegal
Responding to your Point #2...
I think these are some of the reasons why/how the organisers of the World Championships and the Olympics are implementing their rules;
1. Because only 3 medals (Gold, Silver and Bronze) are to be rewarded to players, why allow a country to send more than 3 players. (However, care is to be taken here, to ensure that those 3 players are not meet each other before the semi-finals, therefore making it possible for any country to win all the 3 medals).
2. Because the organisers wish to accommodate as many participants as possible from different countries, that they began to set up artificial barriers (limiting 3 entries per country).
However, LYB's thinking is different from the organisers' plans/intentions. LYB is a team coach. So we should not be surprised that he has suggested to have no restriction on the number of entries from his or any country.
I think these are some of the reasons why LYB has argued so;
1. Because LYB wants to apply his Walkovers and/or "fixed matches", the more his players are allowed to participate, the better the opportunity he has, to instruct his players to have Walkovers and/or "fixed matches". (Of course, his intentions are to bring the best outcomes for his overall team).
2. Because LYB knows that there are so many good players in China, he knows that he can use these players to tire players of other nations, hence making easier pathways for his main players.
But don't get me wrong... what LYB is doing is not illegal.
LYB's only/main intention is to ensure that his team's top players are not subject to difficulties/burdens.
11-28-2007, 05:04 PM #226
two sides of the coin...
It is of course not very fair that good top ranked players from china are not allowed to competet because of a quota...
but it is definitively not fair for country men to play an individual elimination torunament as a team... giving "free rounds" to countrymen for tactical reasons..
This is in a way as unfair as if 3 people played 3 hands together at a poker table against 3 individual players
11-28-2007, 05:42 PM #227
I hope Bao will be able to reach the finals in Hong Kong!!
This would be a good way to prove that he can make it without "team" help...
(hopefully he doesn't face LD in the finals if he reaches the finals, as I suspect LD may throw the game to give Bao som extra points to try to pass LCW on the rankings before OG )
11-28-2007, 06:45 PM #228
Should not be surprised if LYB would instruct LD to throw the game for BCL to win
I also hope that BCL will be able to make it to the Finals in Hong Kong SS Open 2007 too, to prove to us that he can do it all by himself, without his team's help.
However, if BCL is to play LD in the Finals, I would not be surprised if LYB would instruct LD to throw the game, to give BCL extra points to pass LCW on the ranking points.
LYB should know that if LD and BCL can be ranked 1 and 2 just before the draw of the Beijing Olympics 2008, then China could have a better chance to win the MS Gold medal.
11-28-2007, 10:18 PM #229
With all this palace intrigue and cloak-and-dagger stuff to devise and see through to completion, I wonder if Li Yongbo has any time left for badminton coaching anymore
That could explain the setbacks at the China Open for the entire top rung of players (except in MS)
Someone should gift LYB a greatcoat and a top hat
Oh, what drama awaits us at Beijing in August 2008!
11-29-2007, 07:13 AM #230
Well Bao, certainly couldn't prove that he could make it the long route, without any easy matched, this time, sadly enough...
I loved the new "all-out" attacking style he showed in CO.. Guess it was to taxing for his body, even with the easy games thrown in...
11-29-2007, 04:19 PM #231
In summer, I played a local tournament, as well as working as a staff member. I was soo tired, even before my own games came up (which on purposed pushed to be the last, as I need to help to manage the event). Then, I need to face a group of very well rested opponents in a short time period (playing both MD and MXD). Thus, I fought all the way to semi final in MXD. In the bronze medal match, I was sooo tired, and can't even got up after a diving save. However, I still respect all the opponents who beat me in both events. So I ask for a re-match, as I was too tired to help out, and got a unfair playing schedule? Of course not.
11-29-2007, 05:27 PM #232
this is a very good comparision. it lacks.
11-29-2007, 08:36 PM #233
Match-Fixing By BCerOriginally Posted by LazyBuddy
Originally Posted by LazyBuddy
LazyBuddy too is fixing matches
11-30-2007, 09:58 PM #234
Li Yonbo 101
This is another very detail article about Li Yongbo from Sina Sports, if you can read Chinese then this one for you.
12-01-2007, 02:59 AM #235
01-02-2012, 06:20 AM #236
He is really a good actor managing to cheat the world!
01-02-2012, 07:36 AM #237
He will be remembered as the most notorious manager in history. What a way to go.
01-02-2012, 11:30 PM #238
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