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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    A similar scenario may develop in this coming 08 OG. XXF, lan lu and zhu lin could meet up in the semi final while wang chen, pi hong, Xu H might be in the other semi ladder. Would lyb pull another trick even if outside watchful eyes are watching?
    Of course he would and he should because OLY08 in Beiging is big time for CHN to shine and if a gold can be guaranteed, why not? LYB probably retire after OLY08 having been the most successful coach CHN has. But match fixing, not only in CHN but in INA (as someone posted) or in MAS??? or in KOR??? or anywhere?? is not right for the players, the fans and for the sport. We know we cannot stop it, it is not illegal but definitely not agreeing or condoning this action, that is what I have been saying all along. For anyone who agree with LYB action and sayiing it is alright, that is sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post

    is that 50 - 50?
    or OTB 60 - 40?
    or OTB 70 - 30?
    I am over 50 and she is older than me a little bit, I think...hehehe!! But she is a good player for her age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    You are still missing the point...LYB match fixing I understand he has to do what he has to do to win, lining up and resting his best player to beat the opposition...what I am alluding to is match fixing is wrong and to order a player to throw a game is downright cruel, simply denying that player who trained hard to advance to SF and not given the chance to play her best...whether this player has or has no chance to win is not the issue, it is the ethics...we are both engineers, ethics bound us to our profession, that is why I cannot accept CHN or LYB action, even though I understand his job is to win at all cost, with the bigwigs wielding a hammer over his head, esp when OLY gold is big...
    i dont think lyb had to swear to anything before being picked as china's head coach. The only ethics he has to abide to is the lil red book
    From western culture point of view, it's isnt ethical, i'm not arguing wif that. As an engineer who deals with numbers all the times, any bookies would give yzy odd of winning over gzc is less than 50% given gzc's impressive results in 2000. Multiply that the odd of yzy versus CM which is also less than 50%. The odd of yzy beating gzc AND beating CM is very low. What yzy had to give up is not very much. She got a bronze. If lyb wasnt involved, yzy's odd is still a bronze. What lyb did from my prospective is just an insurance policy, just like u buy home insurance knowing full well the chance of your house NOT damaged by natural causes is very high but u bot the insurance anyway.
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    I also don`t like liyongbo because we drove to some hours to see a badminton final and then the two men singles players didnt play due to injury.
    6 days later this to players (chinese) play another final of a (much) higher ranked tournament against each other. nobody injured.

    @cooler: insurance? id on`t like this in sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueBlue View Post
    I also don`t like liyongbo because we drove to some hours to see a badminton final and then the two men singles players didnt play due to injury.
    6 days later this to players (chinese) play another final of a (much) higher ranked tournament against each other. nobody injured.

    @cooler: insurance? id on`t like this in sports.
    i dont blame u for cursing lyb because of this

    An insurance to cover unforeseen expenses due to lyb's match fixing is a novel idea
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    not just because of this. But do you know how it feels if you have to loose a match on purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueBlue View Post
    not just because of this. But do you know how it feels if you have to loose a match on purpose?
    if my chance of winning is > 50%, very pissed
    if my chance of winning is < 50%, i'll take the hardship bonus $ and run
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    if u only play if your chance of winning is more than 50 percent, there is no drive to play any more.

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    gosh.... hope not affect alot this match fixing our badminton sport

    Hope one day badminton can popular as Tennis & alot of people playing it around the world :-)

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    Thumbs up May the best player win

    The practice of asking someone to lose deliberately is definitely wrong. It is not only unethical, but it violates a human right.

    If LYB is concerned with the preservation of human dignity, he should not interfere with his players' motivation to play their best. As we say "May the best player win".

    It is not proper to set up artificial barriers against a player to win. It will only damage the player's sporting spirit. We should encourage all participants of any sports to play their best each and every time.

    I believe that, in any sport, the joy is not based on the winning or the losing, but the joy of the effort we put into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Hm...may be I should not say the score then.....but It was obvious that HHB/YY was given by ZYW/Xiong.....if you were there and watched the game...it was so different and not ZYW/XZB's style....no attacks and just lob..lob..anyway...it was upping HHB/YY's ranking.....
    So, you say HHB/YY is not trying, but they can score about 15 points. And you think CM and Mia really trying hard, and get a 0??? Of course, I know the difference between OSS and NSS, but ZN is not god, and GL/ZB is not that weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zqloy View Post
    Anyhow its still not fair to the players, even for those end up with the gold medal. Just ask Gong Zhi Chao. Not to say she doesnt deserve it, but she need to deal with all the controversy for the rest of her life.
    If you sign a contract (or agreement), you gain some, and lose some. If losing a gold medal is not fair for a player, I can say the under achieved players (which is more than 95% in CHN squard) is way too lucky, as they still got paid. So, should I claim it's not fair to the CHN national team, as they have to support 99% of the "failures"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robin7 View Post
    Camilla could have possibly been the champion if the game was fair.
    Don't just take 1 side of the story.

    If the OG is really fair, do NOT LIMIT the entries per nation. Just let the best of the best fight for the title. If no limited entries, CHN might occupy half the entries, therefore, the chance to gain a gold should be much higher to begin with. Do you think that fair to see WC champion like XXZ and WC runner up like XXF can't even play OG (2004) is fair??? Do you prefer to see XXZ and XXF, or some no name ones who simply come from another nation? Do you think that's fair for XXF and XXZ and CHN team to begin with?

    CM might see 15 CHN ladies in OG, instead of some rank 50s players from another nation. Insead of worry about 3 CHN ladies, she might have to deal with 3 or 4 to even reach the final. She will be seriously tested in every single round.

    Then, we might see a 4 CHN ladies semi final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    what I am alluding to is match fixing is wrong and to order a player to throw a game is downright cruel, simply denying that player who trained hard to advance to SF and not given the chance to play her best...whether this player has or has no chance to win is not the issue, it is the ethics...
    Before finger pointing the match fixing, let me ask you how to explain the "limited entries for OG"?

    WC2003 Champion XXZ and Runner up XXF can NOT even participate. Do you think they are denied for their hardwork, and proven success? The other nation's players and coaches crying for "match fixing", but think twice, they at least get a chance to play, at the cost of much better CHN players, such as XXZ and XXF!

    Like I mentioned in preverious thread, if no limited entries, CHN might occupy half of the entries (especially women events) to begin with. Then, the non-CHN players have to face 4-5 CHN ladies to even dream about the finals anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy View Post
    Don't just take 1 side of the story.

    If the OG is really fair, do NOT LIMIT the entries per nation. Just let the best of the best fight for the title. If no limited entries, CHN might occupy half the entries, therefore, the chance to gain a gold should be much higher to begin with. Do you think that fair to see WC champion like XXZ and WC runner up like XXF can't even play OG (2004) is fair??? Do you prefer to see XXZ and XXF, or some no name ones who simply come from another nation? Do you think that's fair for XXF and XXZ and CHN team to begin with?

    CM might see 15 CHN ladies in OG, instead of some rank 50s players from another nation. Insead of worry about 3 CHN ladies, she might have to deal with 3 or 4 to even reach the final. She will be seriously tested in every single round.

    Then, we might see a 4 CHN ladies semi final.
    wow... (in badminton terms) this one is a smash winner... no chance for the opposition to respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueBlue View Post
    I also don`t like liyongbo because we drove to some hours to see a badminton final and then the two men singles players didnt play due to injury.
    6 days later this to players (chinese) play another final of a (much) higher ranked tournament against each other. nobody injured.

    @cooler: insurance? id on`t like this in sports.
    1. Everyone wants to purchase a ticket to see 3 sets of 30:29, 5 hours non-stop fighting, but you can't expect that to happen every time. Just like NBA, sometimes, you witness 3 OT, last second buzzer beater. Sometimes, you witness 1 side blow out, all benches instead of all star packed 20 minutes of garbage time.

    2. 6 days are a lot. PG was sick, throwing up during flight, sent to hospital in MAS, but came back to win a title after less than 1 week. Should I say he faked the illness just to draw more attention? Obviously not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
    The practice of asking someone to lose deliberately is definitely wrong. It is not only unethical, but it violates a human right.

    If LYB is concerned with the preservation of human dignity, he should not interfere with his players' motivation to play their best. As we say "May the best player win".

    It is not proper to set up artificial barriers against a player to win. It will only damage the player's sporting spirit. We should encourage all participants of any sports to play their best each and every time.

    I believe that, in any sport, the joy is not based on the winning or the losing, but the joy of the effort we put into it.

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    If I were you, I would be careful with that high-lighted statement...

    as Lazybuddy will definitely go after this particular statement with his famous argument... XXZ and XXF didn't even get to play because of some ridiculous limitation to the number of players from one nation... How are you suppose to call it "may the best player win", when the Men's singles world champion could not even participate.

    How do you expect XXZ and XXF feel when they know damn well that their Olympic dreams were stolen from them by some rank 100+ players from another country???
    Last edited by bananakid; 11-14-2007 at 12:52 PM.

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