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Thread: Li Yongbo ( 李永波 )
11-14-2007, 01:47 PM #103
Like another 5,000 old threads, I don't see any new juice in this thread at all. Basically, some "fans" can't take the fact that CHN gain more success than any one else in this sport. So, they pick the dirts, with proof or simply randomly shoot.
You should NEVER judge a situation by a very isolated case. You need to look at the overall picture. Then, you will find out sometimes you gain some, sometimes, you lose some.
Here's what my take for non-CHN players, coaches and "fans":
1. When you receive benefit: i.e. Got into the OG due to "limited entries per nation", even though you know you are not good enough, just enjoy the experience, learn from others, and thank god to give you the chance.
2. When you lose for whatever reason: suck it up, train harder, and find the problem from yourself. The main problem exists in yourself AND your organization, not other players, coaches, facility, draws, fans, the food you ate in the morning, or the good looking chix passing the courside...
11-14-2007, 01:49 PM #104
11-14-2007, 01:57 PM #105
11-14-2007, 02:01 PM #106
YZY did not have to obey LYB. She could of taking the chance and go for the glory just like the table tennis player in post #42. I'm sure YZY also weighted her chances and options and had elected, yes elected, to lose. BTW, we have revelation that lyb did rfix the WS match in 2000 OG. Do we have tangible proof or words from YZY's mouth that she actually did exactly what lyb had ordered? (i don't know this part) or did she lost to gzc on technical ground? Until we hear stories from both side, we shouldn't feel so emotional about it. I'm only presenting view from my own interpretation of the events and what evidence presented todate.
If u compare yzy and gzc today, imo, yzy is doing quite well financially and had emotionally accepted her fate. She is playing golf while gzc is trying to grind out a living from her store, coaching and part time modeling it seem. It seem she (yzy) had moved on with her life while some of us not even have a stake in this affair is holding a grudge on lyb. Let it go.
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11-14-2007, 02:03 PM #107
In 2008 OG, if no injuries or sickness or retirement, LYB will like face such situation:
1. MS: LD, BCL, CH, CJ, CY (likely all in top 10)
2. WS: ZN, XXF, Lu Lan, Zhu Lin, Jiang Yanjiao, Wang Lin, Wang Yihan (likely 4 or 5 in top 10, the rest high in 10-20 if given enough chance to play)
3. WD: GL/HS (not sure about Hung Sui status), ZJW/YW, ZYW/WYL, Du Jing/Yu Yang(like all in top 10, if stay in the same pair and enough chance to play)
Tell me, any of the above does NOT deserve to play OG? However, we will see a huge cut of about 50% (7 out of 16 and 4 out of 7 WS) of listed above. Thanks for the "fairness" with the OG setup to begin with.
Before we feel bad for the "match fixing" victims, let's free bad for "limited entries" victims. They can't even play the qualification round even if they could be the WC champions!!!
Last edited by LazyBuddy; 11-14-2007 at 02:11 PM.
11-14-2007, 02:12 PM #108
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11-14-2007, 02:17 PM #110
Last edited by cooler; 11-14-2007 at 02:26 PM.
11-14-2007, 04:17 PM #111
11-14-2007, 05:14 PM #112
11-14-2007, 05:21 PM #113
@lazybuddy: you post alot, but i don't agree with you, because you only talk about whole groups and what is best for them.
My aproach is individual- i only feel for somebody who must loose desperately. and this is not right no matter what (only if he himself has reason to loose).
11-14-2007, 06:28 PM #114
Eastern asian cultures: tend to be more "collective" minded
Western cultures: tend to be more "indidualized" minded
anyone took social psych at uni level yet lol?
seriously I think this the root of what the "argument" is about here, and why some members can't seem to agree...anywho this discussion always pops back up every few months and lazybuddy gets to flex his finger muscles to type up those long complete(and clear) posts to defend or perhaps "offer a different perspective" to this whole shananigan
11-14-2007, 06:54 PM #115
but thats also in other olympic disciplines. since i m grman, i only know in "bob racing" (winter sports) the german are only allowed to start with 3 people who (women) sometimes get place 1-3...they could have more starters...
11-14-2007, 07:37 PM #116
11-14-2007, 07:45 PM #117
I do not agree match fixing, to deny YZY a chance to compete for OLY gold is fair being her last shot at gold, that is my point. Players at the top level, the gap is so small that the score could tilt one way or another, to say YZY has less chance to win, so might as well walk, that is no right.
11-14-2007, 08:29 PM #118
11-14-2007, 08:48 PM #119
Isn't the Olympics about country first and individual next? On the other hand the Super Series is more the individual first and country last, unless there are higher motives behind so called match-fixing. Maybe LYB is using a type of "comparative advantage" that only smart nations use in economics. Maybe LYB has brought the art of strategy-basing on a bit of statistics in this case-to a higher level.
In the animal kingdom the pride is always ruled by the alpha male, the strongest over all the others. In humans, our ability to think for the common good over the individual, even if the individual is the human equivalent alpha male, is the reason why there is no alpha male in the human species.
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