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    Oh dear, this is getting ugly.

    Just for the record, we're both fairly educated so I suppose it need not go to the point where insults are thrown about. This is exactly the kind of thing they do in the Parliament that gets on my nerves so I suppose it's up to people like you and I to make sure that it doesn't become a culture by not emulating such things on an international board - even if our neighbours across the Causeway depend on it for entertainment.

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    Trying to spin it by calling it ugly now?

    Back track a little will you? And what is it that they do in Parliament?? You talk about your swans, Rafa, cabinet ministers etc etc. Shall we stay on the subject as thats the least an educated person can do.

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    The swans were a response to you generalising that if a corrupt office or wrongdoings were found, the whole thing must be rotten (re-read your examples of 'good things'). The same goes with your comment of our politicians 'being at best, idiots'. I find this to be rather unnecessary. Do you really need to talk like that?

    And before you brand me a government apologetic, let's be clear that the only fault I have with you here is the need to be so negative about your own country and continuing to harp about it to no end. I shake my head every time you brand everybody you disagree with as idiotic.

    So if you do find me at fault for speaking what I have said above, then I sincerely apologise, otherwise stop the freakin' politics and start talking issues. Bicker with me about the 'juicy' stuff at the warung because it's our domestic issue but not here where it doesn't belong.

    As for the Rafa bit, you did ask me about 3:30am, so I told you about Porto, yes?
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    Yes, I stand by my statement that at best, they are idiots. What do you expect from a lot that practiced racialised communitarian politics? In your pm to me, you said that I am enamoured with Singapore. To me, thats ok you can call me that. Its your opinion. I used Singapore as a comparison, and I believe if you want to compare , at least compare with the best out there. To compare us to Lesotho, Uganda, Laos is syiok sendiri ala Malaysia Boleh syndrome la.

    Before you assumed that I am going to brand you a government apologetic, suggest you stop making any further assumptions. An educated person will argue his/her case based on facts, right?

    What I say about the state of our country isnt it not a fact?? You want me to sweep the facts under the carpet and pretend that we are all great and fine? You want to me to say that our badminton for example is going great guns when we have yet to win either a Olympic gold or a WC?? Or the last time we won that TC was back in 92??

    Or you want me to say that our education system is world reknowned when our universities are ranked below 200? Anyway, suggest you re-read my pm to you , slowly this time round.

    Funny... and I thought education provided one with some form of awareness.

    Stop the freaking politics?? Dude, you are the one who brought up the cabinet and Parliament etc!

    And I certainly didnt asked you about 3.30am, you said; "You and I both know what we are both talking about and it's 3:30 in the morning!".

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    I give up.

    You win.

    Let's have a topic on Chit Chat where you outline the ideas and blueprints on how to turn this doomed, miserable little dumphole of a country into the utopia that is the champion of civility, moral and knowledge.

    I despair, really.

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    Stop acting like a little boy denied of your lollies.

    You dont get it, do you. It is not about about winning or losing here.

    I believed what I wanted to say I have put it to you in my pm on 29 Nov.

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    All right Pemuda.

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    Default Azalina sez..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica View Post
    I don't really understand our Sport Minister,Datuk Azalina thinking.She commented LCW loss about this time China Open in the malay newspaper.She said she was dissapointed with Chong Wei because whenever peoples expect he to win,he can't win but when others did not expect him to win,then he will win.Don't know why she made this kind of statement,can't she see LCW effort and what he acchive for the country first only made this kind of comment.She did the same thing when Nicol David lose recently.
    Hi Jessica,
    Azlina aping what Prof Khoo said when he went out of the Malaysian Open. In a way it's true but to come form the sports minister after a commendable final does'nt make sense. Anyways, it's time for Chong Wei to prove his critics wrong and remembers there's no point being second best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    Ok, allow me to answer your questions.

    What is so right?? Lets look at this Azalina's comments on LCW. She singled out LCW despite knowing very well that Hafiz performed even worst. Is this playing to the gallery to boost her popularity amongst certain segment of people??

    I complained about our sports being in the pits. Isnt it so?? When was the last time we took home that Thomas Cup?? Ever won the WC? In football, look at our standards, even tiny little dot, Singapore made it to the 2nd round for the coming WC qualifying. Where are we in men's hockey today? Better not mention women's hockey cos we are non existent. Even sepak takraw, we are behind Thailand.

    What is wrong in complaining about our education system, crime rates or health care services?? Look at the standard of English amongst our local graduates today. Where is University Malaya as compared to Nanyang University of Singapore? Look at our crime rates, it is on the rise. Go take a look at our hospitals, it is pretty 3rd world.

    What have I done for our country?? Ok, I represented the nation in football some years ago, the under 21 and then under 23 team. I gave up the game because I got fed up with the nonsense in FAM i.e. the favoritism, in-fighting and politicking , unprofessionalism and a whole host of other things which I dont want to mention. Let me give you an example, once we went to France for a junior tournament, the officials who accompanied us amounted to about 18 people of which half were not even there for football matters. They went shopping and sight-seeing. Imagine, our squad of 23 players, we got 18 'officials' accompanying us! Do you know our Malaysian team then had the largest number of so called officials?

    Now, dont say I am bitter. Actually, I am glad to give up football cos the game is a dead end in this country. Football for a university degree, I am glad I took that decision.

    Other than representing my country, I am a law abiding citizen and pay all my taxes on time.

    Lastly, on your question "do you have any suggestions on how to improves our nation" . ..... One word comes to mind .... apathy. Get rid of it.
    ok.i really dont want to involve.i will ended up feel so bad with myself.

    i will ask the last question.the last..what is ur purpose when u are revealing all this in this public forum,international forum,let others know how bad was our country..?what do u gained from this?

    its better if u try fix the problem in a better way-get our support - i mean malaysians support and fight for malaysia.for our right.to be a better nation.

    u know what,if i this is not 2007,i would look at u as dato' onn jaafar.someone that i respect.but unfortunately.u are different with him.
    same vision but different attitude.

    both of u are talking about the same thing.its about attitude.
    he fix the problem by stand with us,give us encouragement,give us solutions
    but u are attacking us,attacking malaysia in a FORUM.

    its good that u realise all those problems (as theres so many pak turut nowadays).

    and have u ever read any BC forum ppl from other countries give negative opinions regarding their country's policy openly?have u?

    u love debates(i think).deliver an opinion is not a sin.at all.it is ur authorithy.nobody can say anything to againts ur opinions.
    but i was really sick reading ur posts.(reading all posts are unavoidable if u are asking me to ignore ur posts)
    u have points.and most of them are true.perhaps all of them.

    im just asking u not to tell everything about how bad was malaysia.
    it looks like u are trying to tell others "hey everyone.. see how bad was my malaysia ".
    no countries are perfect.
    if u are in singapore (ur darling country) and u give this kind of criticises to the government,u are done.its their policy and we have to respect that.
    for this fact,have u ever be grateful that u are born in malaysia?

    i do agree,our government policy is sometimes really annoying.things like pilih kasih,cakap tak serupa bikin ,manja n lembik are habits.
    the latest - our football seagames squad lost to myanmar 3-0 and put us at the bottom of he group.we are talking about myanmar-this country is fighting for democracy yet can beat malaysia truly asia.it is unacceptable.yes.
    but i have to say,whatever it is,im still supporting malaysia in its next match.

    dont bash malaysia in public forum.thats what im asking u to do.
    thats all pemuda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williamtan2020 View Post
    Hi Jessica,
    Azlina aping what Prof Khoo said when he went out of the Malaysian Open. In a way it's true but to come form the sports minister after a commendable final does'nt make sense. Anyways, it's time for Chong Wei to prove his critics wrong and remembers there's no point being second best.
    problem is william,
    when leeChongwei won,she will say..lee chongwei is our best player
    when leechongwei lost,she will say.. leechongwei waste government's money

    she's hoping the best from leechongwei.everytimes.everysecond.
    its her job in producing athletes that can bring glory to malaysia but she may forgot that the one who compete in the court is that athlete.not her.

    i suppose she will understand,as she was an athlete once,but i was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    its her job in producing athletes that can bring glory to malaysia
    No, it is not and never had been the job of the ministers.

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    Default Best Of 2007

    My vote for advice of the year:
    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    Being 'in your face' is good, but the ones that make impressions aren't the one that are loudest, it's the one that actually makes sense.
    My vote for mixed metaphor of the year:
    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    it will be difficult for one to see the trees through the forest especially when one's head is stucked in the sand.
    My vote for understatement of the year:
    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    ok.i really dont want to involve.
    (Of course, what followed was an extra long post )

    My vote for certified truth of the year:
    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    if u are in singapore (ur darling country) and u give this kind of criticises to the government,u are done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    No, it is not and never had been the job of the ministers.
    she is the one who will answer pak lah.
    pak lah will ask "why we cannot win the gold medal?"
    azalina is the one who will answer it.
    MSN is under her supervision.so as MOM.

    she manage the management.dato' zolkeples embong can say anything but he wont be able to againts azalina.

    she hold the decisions.get the best athletes is her job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    My vote for advice of the year:

    My vote for mixed metaphor of the year:

    My vote for understatement of the year: (Of course, what followed was an extra long post )

    My vote for certified truth of the year:
    any award for this nominees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    No, it is not and never had been the job of the ministers.
    All sports come under the perview of Sports Minister, same as all health issues come under Health Ministry.
    Datuk Azalina is Sports Minister, she questions, why this sports not performing,etc. NSC reports to Sports Minister.
    Budget for sports is approved by Cabinet with recommendation of Sports Ministry. They are policy makers and have the power to change the workings of sports in Msia.
    If not, what is the point of having a Sports Minister.

    For badminton, Sports Ministry pressure NSC, NSC pressurizes BAM, the coaches and players to show they doing their job - remember a lot of 'calling up of coaches & players' after debacle at WC 2007.
    Rexy was looking 'resah tentang prestasi tidak menentu anak buahnya' - in those couple of months. Lots of pressure esp on KKK/TBH and LCW. Indonesia players, according to Indonesian BCers, arent in such pressure cooker.

    Same as Nicol David, LCW. Nicol just lost 2 tournaments, won 8 in 2007(a record in itself). The 2 losses - 'penjelasan' is needed to justify the $$$$ the government invest for her overseas training. <Sigh>

    If I'm a parent reading that, I wont encourage my children to take up elit sports. Might as well be entrepreneur(like Ants), still earn lots of money, much less pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    No, it is not and never had been the job of the ministers.
    Agree. Her job as Sports Minister is to ensure and facilitate that all sports associations/bodies are running efficiently to ensure progress and development of sports in Msia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    ok.i really dont want to involve.i will ended up feel so bad with myself.

    i will ask the last question.the last..what is ur purpose when u are revealing all this in this public forum,international forum,let others know how bad was our country..?what do u gained from this?

    its better if u try fix the problem in a better way-get our support - i mean malaysians support and fight for malaysia.for our right.to be a better nation.

    u know what,if i this is not 2007,i would look at u as dato' onn jaafar.someone that i respect.but unfortunately.u are different with him.
    same vision but different attitude.

    both of u are talking about the same thing.its about attitude.
    he fix the problem by stand with us,give us encouragement,give us solutions
    but u are attacking us,attacking malaysia in a FORUM.

    its good that u realise all those problems (as theres so many pak turut nowadays).

    and have u ever read any BC forum ppl from other countries give negative opinions regarding their country's policy openly?have u?

    u love debates(i think).deliver an opinion is not a sin.at all.it is ur authorithy.nobody can say anything to againts ur opinions.
    but i was really sick reading ur posts.(reading all posts are unavoidable if u are asking me to ignore ur posts)
    u have points.and most of them are true.perhaps all of them.

    im just asking u not to tell everything about how bad was malaysia.
    it looks like u are trying to tell others "hey everyone.. see how bad was my malaysia ".
    no countries are perfect.
    if u are in singapore (ur darling country) and u give this kind of criticises to the government,u are done.its their policy and we have to respect that.
    for this fact,have u ever be grateful that u are born in malaysia?

    i do agree,our government policy is sometimes really annoying.things like pilih kasih,cakap tak serupa bikin ,manja n lembik are habits.
    the latest - our football seagames squad lost to myanmar 3-0 and put us at the bottom of he group.we are talking about myanmar-this country is fighting for democracy yet can beat malaysia truly asia.it is unacceptable.yes.
    but i have to say,whatever it is,im still supporting malaysia in its next match.

    dont bash malaysia in public forum.thats what im asking u to do.
    thats all pemuda.
    My dear,

    I am not in Singapore nor am I a Singaporean. I used Singapore as a model for comparison because I believe if you aspire to be the best, you compare with the best out there. Of course, I can always compare us with Sudan, Uganda, Laos, Nepal, Bhutan, Yemen which will make us look high and mighty ... ala the usual Malaysia Boleh stuff. But, lets face reality shall we?? You dont see Lee Chong Wei compare himself with some shuttler from Luxembourg or Nepal, right?? Or do you see the Brazil football team compare itself with Malaysia??

    Please note that it is now 2007. We are in a global community now. And I dont see whats wrong if I bring out facts about our country. What you are telling me is to sweep things under the carpet, and is that the right solution? Sweep it all under that rug and hope and pray and pray somemore that the problems will all go away?? I quote Benjamin Franklin ; "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."

    I am sorry if my comments make you sick and wanna puke. The truth hurts. And the sooner we, Malaysians face up to it and address it, it is gonna keep hurting. And trust me, this kind of hurt wont go away. We need to own up to these issues and address it, not side step it.

    And yes, you may still continue to ignore the problems and say that I am attacking Malaysia. I believe thats your choice.

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