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    i managed to get some tickets to the olympics badminton so now i need to worry about which camera/lenses to bring (or buy in the next 8 months ). does anyone know what the stadium/olympic restrictions are, or what they were at previous olympics?

    in melbourne i've found that i can bring a 300mm f/4 to the football, but at the australian open tennis and f1gp they had a maximum limit of 200mm and wouldn't let me bring my cheapo 70-300mm although other people were allowed to bring their nice 70-200/2.8 lenses i would hate to carry a lot of heavy camera equipment all the way to the stadium only to be told that i'm not allowed to use them

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    Put a teleconvertor and D300 on your wishlist. Bring in the 70-200/2.8 VR and you are set!!

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    if 200mm is the limit, then go all the way, buy the 200/2, and then get a 1.4x and a 2x TC. so you can have 200/2, 280/2.8 and 400/4 all in one lens!

    make sure your seat is good for badminton though, otherwise it will be all wasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    if 200mm is the limit, then go all the way, buy the 200/2, and then get a 1.4x and a 2x TC. so you can have 200/2, 280/2.8 and 400/4 all in one lens!

    make sure your seat is good for badminton though, otherwise it will be all wasted.
    kwun, they won't actually judge by the focal length. they will in fact judge by the size! hehe....

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    the nikkor 200/2 is worth more than my car d300 looks nice but it's not enough of an improvement on d200 to make it worthwhile upgrading yet. i'll be waiting for d400 or d500

    i'm planning to bring a d200, 70-200 and 2x tc but that depends on whether i'll be allowed to bring them into the stadium. can anyone remember whether the general public was allowed to bring this type of equipment to the badminton in the last few olympics?

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    Minime, have you tried to d300 yet? Its really a nice upgrade compared to the d200, take special notice in the noise under low light conditions, you will be amazed how well the Nikon now have caught up with Canon in that respect. Plus there wont b any d400 before the games I can assure you, so why not get yourself some USEFUL christmas present? hehhe (evil grin)

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    i haven't touched a d300 yet and i don't want to, in case it infects me with buy-buy-buy syndrome besides, i already spent my xmas money on a 2nd hand 17-55/2.8. i can't afford any more camera goodies unless the lotto gods shine on me

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    I thought you still had the D70.

    2x tele? You are losing 2 stops with that. I think it will be difficult if you have it on.

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    I wouldn't worry too much about the available light levels.
    {kwun, cheung and Achan (and red too?) had an abundance of light at the Hong Kong Open, didn't they?}

    Typically, indoor stadia have around 1,000 lux general lighting and about 1,400 lux on the FOP (Field Of Play) as a requirement for live television.
    (Contact events like martial arts and fencing require at least 1,600 lux )

    The lighting equation is different for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.
    This time, a much higher level of lighting has been planned.

    The main reasons are:
    1. Live TV coverage will be in High-Definition (HD cameras need plenty of well-directed light).
    2. The new super slow-motion cameras require brighter and very even lighting.
    3. Higher contrasts are required (spectator areas vs. action areas) for fine modelling (so that the action doesn't look flat).
    4. The ECU cameras (those dedicated to extreme close-ups) usually use range-extenders, which calls for an extra-extra dose of light (note that they are HD lenses too).

    Apologies for the long lesson
    Simply put, Mini Me's work plans sound quite OK

    However, the primary question still remains:
    Will they allow the photographic gear in?
    (...especially with those long, pokey lenses )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much about the available light levels.
    {kwun, cheung and Achan (and red too?) had an abundance of light at the Hong Kong Open, didn't they?}

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    Actually, no.

    There are some areas using ISO1600 with f2.8 only giving 1/320th sec.

    Let's assume the lighting is better in Beijing, then probably it will be at least 1 stop difference. Can it go to 2 stops difference? - I'm not sure how much light is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Actually, no.

    There are some areas using ISO1600 with f2.8 only giving 1/320th sec.

    Let's assume the lighting is better in Beijing, then probably it will be at least 1 stop difference. Can it go to 2 stops difference? - I'm not sure how much light is needed.
    I confess to knowing absolutely nothing about still cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    I wouldn't worry too much about the available light levels.
    {kwun, cheung and Achan (and red too?) had an abundance of light at the Hong Kong Open, didn't they?}

    Typically, indoor stadia have around 1,000 lux general lighting and about 1,400 lux on the FOP (Field Of Play) as a requirement for live television.
    (Contact events like martial arts and fencing require at least 1,600 lux )

    The lighting equation is different for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.
    This time, a much higher level of lighting has been planned.

    The main reasons are:
    1. Live TV coverage will be in High-Definition (HD cameras need plenty of well-directed light).
    2. The new super slow-motion cameras require brighter and very even lighting.
    3. Higher contrasts are required (spectator areas vs. action areas) for fine modelling (so that the action doesn't look flat).
    4. The ECU cameras (those dedicated to extreme close-ups) usually use range-extenders, which calls for an extra-extra dose of light (note that they are HD lenses too).
    very interesting info!

    but how much is "much higher"?

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    i did some research on the net.

    1000 lux ~= 9EV.

    9 EV means we can get: ISO1600, f/2.8, 1/500s.

    for each EV (stop), we need double the Lux, so for one stop, we need 2000 lux, and for 2 stops, we need 4000 lux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i did some research on the net.
    1000 lux ~= 9EV.
    9 EV means we can get: ISO1600, f/2.8, 1/500s.
    for each EV (stop), we need double the Lux, so for one stop, we need 2000 lux, and for 2 stops, we need 4000 lux.
    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    very interesting info!
    but how much is "much higher"?
    Alright, you asked for it...

    It greatly depends on the sport and its FOP.

    For instance, badminton's activity area is much much larger compared to that of, say, boxing or gymnastics (except the floor routines). Also, the pace of action in badminton is critically different from that in, say, wrestling.

    The lighting director for the sports venues (and, today, this is always a television guy) will typically have three different lighting arrangements, all of them tailored to meet TV coverage specifications:
    1. Normal Lighting - this is for spectator areas - all you need is to see the people and their reactions clearly - a single spectator's face is taken as the intensity guide
    2. Action Lighting - this is for the Field Of Play - the lighting must be sufficient to allow swift panning and must clearly define the features of the competitors and the principal referee
    3. High-Lighting - this is for the defining areas within the FOP - simply put, these are the spots that generate the majority of action-replays - e.g., the net in volleyball, within the 3-point line and the key (the free-throw lane) in basketball, the tunnel (the dive trajectory) in diving, etc

    800 lux is standard for spectator fills, 1000-1200 is the norm for the arena (the FOP), 1,200-1,400 is the norm for low-slow-mo (e.g., swimming, wrestling, the balance beam) and 1400-1600 is the minimum for high-slow-mo (e.g., badminton, fencing, basketball). Of course, these levels are for SD (Standard Definition) cameras.

    Since HD requires at least 1.5 times the SD intensity to achieve a clean, fluid picture without motion artifacts and edge blurs, anything less than 2,500 lux in the defining areas is bound to be less than satisfactory for fast-action sports.

    Given that higher intensities might interfere with the conduct of the sport and the performance of the competitors, HD cameras with range extenders might be out of the question in indoor arenas.

    In any case, I'd be surprised if they provide 3,000 lux indoor, much less 4,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    I thought you still had the D70.

    2x tele? You are losing 2 stops with that. I think it will be difficult if you have it on.
    i switched from d70 to d200 about 18 months ago i've got 2x tc but i found that usually i can only use 1.4x tc when indoors. i lost too much light with 2x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Actually, no.

    There are some areas using ISO1600 with f2.8 only giving 1/320th sec.

    Let's assume the lighting is better in Beijing, then probably it will be at least 1 stop difference. Can it go to 2 stops difference? - I'm not sure how much light is needed.
    malaysian open 2005 was the same - correct exposure was iso1600 f2.8 1/320s. i had to deliberately underexpose to get 1/400s and adjust the exposure in photoshop.

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    D300 review. Read at your own risk ...

    http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/ni...ew/index.shtml


    Quote Originally Posted by Mini Me View Post
    the nikkor 200/2 is worth more than my car d300 looks nice but it's not enough of an improvement on d200 to make it worthwhile upgrading yet. i'll be waiting for d400 or d500

    i'm planning to bring a d200, 70-200 and 2x tc but that depends on whether i'll be allowed to bring them into the stadium. can anyone remember whether the general public was allowed to bring this type of equipment to the badminton in the last few olympics?

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