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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, they've been in 'the future' for some time now.
    It doesn't look like they've been on a winning spree so far.

    A junior + junior combination doesn't seem to be working anywhere.
    However, an experienced senior + junior combo seems to be the norm.

    Does Malaysia presently have a pair like that in its sights?
    yes,indeed kkk/ng hui lin and LKW/WPT and oso CEH/HTH (tho seldom play as a pair) are junior + senior combo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, they've been in 'the future' for some time now.
    It doesn't look like they've been on a winning spree so far.

    A junior + junior combination doesn't seem to be working anywhere.
    However, an experienced senior + junior combo seems to be the norm.

    Does Malaysia presently have a pair like that in its sights?
    Thought i already answered that in the last paragraph. That was why the 2007 WJC Lim Khim Wah & Ng Hui Lin were split -> KKK/NHL, Lim Khim Wah/Wong Pei Tty, these 2 will be the top 2 XD pairs for Msia, since after OG 2008 they have been paired.

    Hoon Thien How/Chin Ee Hui combo isnt working very well. MO 2009 , they revamped the XD pair-ups again, except for KKK/NHL, LKW/WPT

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Thought i already answered that in the last paragraph. That was why the 2007 WJC Lim Khim Wah & Ng Hui Lin were split -> KKK/NHL, Lim Khim Wah/Wong Pei Tty, these 2 will be the top 2 XD pairs for Msia, since after OG 2008 they have been paired.

    Hoon Thien How/Chin Ee Hui combo isnt working very well. MO 2009 , they revamped the XD pair-ups again, except for KKK/NHL, LKW/WPT
    Would you bet on Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin as a frontline pair?
    eagle, you must be either joking or recklessly optimistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Would you bet on Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin as a frontline pair?
    eagle, you must be either joking or recklessly optimistic
    I didnt say i bet or say that they will top XD pair in the world - for Msia 'uncle' Oldhand, Msia. No doubt, KKK/WPT is the most successful Msia combo of current players but the coaches decided to pair senior + junior.

    of senior + junior combo, the ones groomed = KKK/NHL, LKW/WPT - seems this 2 pairs are being groomed for 2010 AG. The 3rd senior + junior = CEH/Hoon TH. AND, these new pairs just joined up AFTER OG, a few short months ago.

    Of the 3, the best International results so far = KKK/NHL. Local scene -> they have won 2 local circuits & in the finals of the current National GP. If they win again, then thus far, they're best XD for Msia. Although LKW/WPT didnt feature in the 3 local tourneys, personally i think KKK/NHL can win over LKW/WPT.
    Take note: KKK/WPT combo is even better BUT is not the permanent pairing considred, so.....

    Junior + junior, all inconsistent so far, they havent found a formidable combo. With new experimental pair-ups in MO 2009, we see if can work but mostly will be junior + junior.

    You see for yourself in future tournaments, which pairs are given emphasis, quite obvious

    Ooops, we are getting Off-topic.
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    Well, well junior MD are in the GP Finals = Goh/Ong vs CPS/LKW tomm.
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    You're missing my point, eagle

    If Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin must struggle to win even locally, how is this pair going to get anywhere near an international title?

    Koo Kien Keat is no Lee Yong Dae to be consistently playing both MD and XD (much less consistently winning either event).
    If BAM attempts such heroics, KKK will draw blanks in both MD and XD.

    Malaysia needs to a groom a new XD combination specifically for London 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    You're missing my point, eagle

    If Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin must struggle to win even locally, how is this pair going to get anywhere near an international title?

    Koo Kien Keat is no Lee Yong Dae to be consistently playing both MD and XD (much less consistently winning either event).
    If BAM attempts such heroics, KKK will draw blanks in both MD and XD.

    Malaysia needs to a groom a new XD combination specifically for London 2012

    from the records, KKK/NHL beat Anthony Clark and Donna Kellogg in
    round 2 of HKO
    and dragged LYD/LHY to 3 sets in CO..
    if this results is not impressive..i dunno what is good in this combo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    You're missing my point, eagle

    If Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin must struggle to win even locally, how is this pair going to get anywhere near an international title?

    Koo Kien Keat is no Lee Yong Dae to be consistently playing both MD and XD (much less consistently winning either event).
    If BAM attempts such heroics, KKK will draw blanks in both MD and XD.

    Malaysia needs to a groom a new XD combination specifically for London 2012
    haha...uncle oldhand...if they struggle...mean mas have another close xd pair behind them......I SO HOPE CWF CAN BEAT OR ATLEAST MAKE LCW STRUGLE TONIGHT...U KNOW???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    You're missing my point, eagle

    1) If Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin must struggle to win even locally, how is this pair going to get anywhere near an international title?

    2) Koo Kien Keat is no Lee Yong Dae to be consistently playing both MD and XD (much less consistently winning either event).
    If BAM attempts such heroics, KKK will draw blanks in both MD and XD.

    3) Malaysia needs to a groom a new XD combination specifically for London 2012

    LOL, aiyoooo, we both missing each other's points.

    1) errr, how in the world are KKK/NHL struggling locally when they have won both Penang & Johor Open (without much opposition from the other XD pairs from what is seen during the final matches), and most probably will win GP Finals played today ?

    2) Well, other countries male players are also playing both MD & XD. These two years is for testing out period . Who knows, if they hit off well, KKK might focus on XD only for 2012. The thing is, the juniors havent caught up.

    3) a) Msia already tried to do that with the 2007 AJC & WJC : TWK/WKW, LKW/NHL. For a spell, TWK/WKW only played XD, out early rounds. LKW/NHL fared better, they won 2008 Vietnam IC.
    b) The then 3rd pair, Razif/Sook Chin, was runner up in Vietnam IC. But recent months they have been stagnant.
    c) Currently the new combo of Chan Peng Soon/Goh Liu Ying is a pair to watch. They gave credible performances in Msia IC & Johor Open.

    CPS with Ooi Yu Hang beat a senior pair in WC 2007, has good fighting spirit. Too bad his XD partner, Ooi left BAM. Then his MD partner had to retire early due to kidney failure (Chang HP). Lui YIng has come back from her leg injury (in October) with good performances. They might overtake Razif/Sook Chin, TWK/WKW next year.

    They tried with the players playing 1 dept, didnt work out. Then now it's 2 dept, for some, even better results, so.........

    In a nutshell, they have been & are trying to find a quality XD combo for 2012 all the while, the latest being the reshuffle of XD pairs in MO 2009. Msia just starting to focus more on XD, takes a while to build up the squad, lots of youngsters to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    from the records, KKK/NHL beat Anthony Clark and Donna Kellogg in
    round 2 of HKO
    and dragged LYD/LHY to 3 sets in CO..
    if this results is not impressive..i dunno what is good in this combo...
    I grant that you do have a point here

    However, we need to consider the match conditions as well.

    a) I'm not discounting the win against Clark & Kellogg but it's all too clear that Donna Kellogg is past her prime.

    b) Within the same half-day, Lee Yong-Dae had to play two gruelling matches - the XD against KKK/NHL and the MD against China's He Hanbin & Sun Junjie. (And he won both encounters.) In contrast, Koo Kien Keat's two events were in the different halves of the day.

    All said and done, it's still creditable that KKK/NHL took the Koreans to a rubber game

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    [...]1) errr, how in the world are KKK/NHL struggling locally when they have won both Penang & Johor Open (without much opposition from the other XD pairs from what is seen during the final matches), and most probably will win GP Finals played today ? [...]
    eagle, I'll respond to just the main point:


    Take a look at the scores from the Penang Open 2008:

    KKK & NHL beat Mohd Zakry & Nairul Suhada 26-24 21-18
    KKK & NHL beat Tan Wee Kiong & Woon Khe Wei 21-15 24-22


    Take a look at the scores from the Johor Open 2008:

    KKK & NHL beat Mak Hee Chun & Vivian Hoo 21-17 23-21
    KKK & NHL beat Tan Wee Kiong & Woon Khe Wei 17-21 21-14 21-13
    KKK & NHL beat Ong Jian Guo & Goh Liu Ying 21-11 22-20


    Take a look at the scores from the just-concluded National Finals 2008:

    KKK & NHL beat Ong Jian Guo & Goh Liu Ying 19-21 21-10 21-17
    KKK & NHL beat Mohd Zakry & Nairul Suhada 25-23 21-16
    KKK & NHL beat Tan Wee Kiong & Woon Khe Wei 22-20 21-19


    I have every reason to believe that the highlighted scores clearly show that Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin are 'struggling to win even locally'

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    oldhand...this mean we have few pair that near to koo/ng standard...this is good news...not like u see how lcw won his 7 straight national gp final title...

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    oldhand...this mean we have few pair that near to koo/ng standard...this is good news...not like u see how lcw won his 7 straight national gp final title...
    Well, that simply means that not one pair has achieved the standard required to win a top international tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Well, that simply means that not one pair has achieved the standard required to win a top international tournament.
    True...

    depends on how u see this situation, is either half full or half empty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    eagle, I'll respond to just the main point:

    ....
    I have every reason to believe that the highlighted scores clearly show that Koo Kien Keat & Ng Hui Lin are 'struggling to win even locally'
    Up to you lor, you have higher expectation of them. I didnt even expect them to win the GP FInals, KKK is supposed to be down with fever.
    In MD, KKK with TBH didnt even win the 3 local circuits, only Penang. CTF/LWW won Johor, youngsters CPS/LKW won the GP FInals.

    When i said "without much opposition", is cos I watched the matches when RTM 1 showed it. In Penang,KKK did not go full force, if he did, the scoreline would be different. It was like he was toying with TWK/WKW and still the youngsters couldnt take the chance.
    RTM didnt show XD finals for Johor Open.

    Struggle or no struggle, KKK/NHL won all 3, in Johor & Penang with KKK also playing MD till finals. That speaks for itself.

    As stated earlier, internationally KKK/NHL's results are better than the other Msia pairs (minus KKK/WPT,they wouldnt be paired permanently) so at the moment, who else have we got, that's what I mean. Next year will be interesting, we shall see.

    International : wah, you expect them to win SS or GP GOld titles already,LOL . Not yet lah, this department is still development stage.
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    2008/12/13
    Khim Wah's patience rewards him again



    Khim Wah wants to try and qualify for the 2012 London Olympics in the mixed and menís doubles events.

    LIM Khim Wah's adolescent years were almost nomadic as he was constantly on the move from the age of six when his family moved from Penang to Kulim.

    When Khim Wah turned 13, he moved to Alor Star as he joined the Kedah squad, and stayed with coach Sam Diyono.

    Two years later, he was off to the Bukit Jalil Sports School (BJSS) but the years spent away from his family not only turned him into a street-smart character but also instilled in him the patience to overcome challenges.

    Now 19, Khim Wah proved his worth when he partnered Ng Hui Lin to clinch the World Junior mixed doubles title in Auckland, New Zealand last year.

    Unfortunately, his career has somewhat stagnated since then.
    Khim Wah's regular partner in the men's doubles is Mak Hee Chun and the pair have won two national junior titles (in 2005 and 2006) and two bronze medals in the 2006 and 2007 World Junior Championships.

    Hee Chun was eligible to play in this year's Asian and World Junior Championships and partnered Kok Siang and this left Khim Wah without a partner in the senior squad.

    His mixed doubles partnership with Hui Lin is also over but Khim Wah remained patient and he is now partnering Wong Pei Tty while he has finally found a permanent partner in Chan Peng Soon for the men's doubles.

    "It was really tough as I initially didn't have regular partners in both events but I didn't give up and remained patient. It has always been my character to keep fighting," said Khim Wah in Alor Star yesterday.

    "I was fortunate that I could partner Pei Tty in the mixed doubles and my combination with Peng Soon has also clicked.

    "My aim is to try and qualify for the 2012 London Olympics with Pei Tty and also try to achieve the same in the men's doubles."


    However, Khim Wah's partnership with Peng Soon ends after the National Grand Prix Finals.

    Khim Wah-Peng Soon also received the perfect parting gift by winning the men's doubles title when they defeated Goh Wei Shem-Ong Jian Guo 21-14, 19-21, 21-11.

    "The National Grand Prix Finals will be the last time I will partner Peng Soon but I'm looking forward to the new combination with Hoon Thien How."

    Khim Wah is also aiming to qualify for the World Championships in New Delhi in November with Pei Tty as they are ranked World No 33.


    However, qualification won't be easy as Koo Kien Keat-Hui Lin, Razif Latif-Chong Sook Chin and Tan Wee Kiong-Woon Khe Wei are also gunning for the two spots.

    But Khim Wah is a fighter and he is counting on that to taking him through.

    http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/N...cle/index_html

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    The Star Online > Sports
    Saturday December 13, 2008

    Doubles triumph gives Khim Wah hopes of bigger things next year


    ALOR STAR: National men doubles shuttler Lim Khim Wah will leave Alor Star with new hopes for the future.

    Yesterday, the Penangite marked an end to a testing year by finishing as men’s doubles champions with partner Chan Peng Soon in the National Grand Prix Finals at the KBA Hall here yesterday.


    The duo beat Goh Wei Shem-Ong Jian Guo 21-14, 20-22, 21-11.

    The jovial Khim Wah, who spent most of his younger days polishing up badminton skills in Kulim, will be out to seek new fortunes with two seasoned campaigners Hoon Thien How and Wong Pei Tty in the men’s doubles and mixed doubles events respectively next year.

    His partnerships with Peng Soon ended with the GP Finals yesterday.

    The 19-year-old Khim Wah is banking on the seniors — Thien How and Pei Tty — to take his game to a greater height.

    “My coaches wanted me to try with different partners after I emerged as the world junior mixed doubles champion (with Ng Hui Lin last year),” said Khim Wah.

    “I was being tried out more in the mixed doubles. But from next year onwards, they want me to give full attention in both the events.”

    Khim Wah will be making his debut with Thien How at the Malaysian Open, which will be held at Putra Stadium in Bukit Jalil from Jan 6-11.

    “I am determined to do well with Thien How. Currently, we do not have a world ranking and we will try to establish that first,” he said.

    His eight-month partnership with Pei Tty has not bore fruits yet — with their best effort being the semi-final’s of the Thailand Open in June.

    “She is a mature and experienced player. I hope to learn as much as possible from her.
    Hopefully, together, we will be able to make the cut for next year’s World Championships,” added Khim Wah, who is currently ranked 33rd with Pei Tty.

    Meanwhile, rising women doubles player Ng Hui Lin became the star of the tournament when she nailed two national titles.

    She took the first title with Koo Kien Keat in the mixed doubles and pulled off her second with Goh Liu Ying in the women’s doubles event.

    http://thestar.com.my/services/print...asp&sec=sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    True...

    depends on how u see this situation, is either half full or half empty
    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Up to you lor, you have higher expectation of them. I didnt even expect them to win the GP FInals, KKK is supposed to be down with fever.
    In MD, KKK with TBH didnt even win the 3 local circuits, only Penang. CTF/LWW won Johor, youngsters CPS/LKW won the GP FInals.

    When i said "without much opposition", is cos I watched the matches when RTM 1 showed it. In Penang,KKK did not go full force, if he did, the scoreline would be different. It was like he was toying with TWK/WKW and still the youngsters couldnt take the chance.
    RTM didnt show XD finals for Johor Open.

    Struggle or no struggle, KKK/NHL won all 3, in Johor & Penang with KKK also playing MD till finals. That speaks for itself.

    As stated earlier, internationally KKK/NHL's results are better than the other Msia pairs (minus KKK/WPT,they wouldnt be paired permanently) so at the moment, who else have we got, that's what I mean. Next year will be interesting, we shall see.

    International : wah, you expect them to win SS or GP GOld titles already,LOL . Not yet lah, this department is still development stage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Well, that simply means that not one pair has achieved the standard required to win a top international tournament.
    yes....i do agree...koo never go full force in international or local circuit i think...u go for their match state in ts....koo smash just a few time...

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