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01-03-2008, 09:00 AM #18
On your Malaysian players' trend to buckle on pressure, I find it interesting. Hmmm ... what about Hafiz ? There is no pressure for the lad to deliver, but he is still stuggling to get into 2nd gear. What about our Msian tennis players, certainly no pressure or whatsoever but do you see a single Msian making news out there??? Our football team, no pressure on them to win the Asian cup, but look what happened to us.
Li Yongbo takes no prisoners in his coaching and management style. you dont deliver, he show you the door. But look at the titles, China have won under him. And look at the players Li Yongbo developed.
Sir Alex Ferguson is another hard manager. His players are scared of him and they know if they step out of line, he ship them out. Look at what happened to Beckham, Ince, RvN etc. But look at the titles Sir Alex won.
Roger Federer is on his way to become the greatest tennis player. He is where he is today because he keeps on pushing himself to get better. Do you think his coach can make Federer be the player he is today if he didnt pushed him hard??? I really doubt Federer's coach will say "tak apa tak menang punya ok, relaks aje"
If you think Msian shuttlers face intense criticism in everything they do, let me remind you that it is nothing as compared to the Chinese or Indonesian shuttlers.
01-03-2008, 10:18 AM #19
2) a) Btw, Msia players buckle under pressure part is about badminton players. That is of course assuming they already fullfill the other criterias : i.e. have the skills, work hard (X5), etc, etc. That also goes for other sports.
Read today's Utusan Malaysia, interview with Rexy http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/arki...1.htm&arc=hive
Rexy implored on all parties not to put to much pressure, this is the non Msian coach talking. So, I'm not the 'weird' fella who think so.
Too much pressure begets burden, too much burden ->failure. Failure -> lost of confidence -> more failure, becomes self fulfilling prophecy. There goes the vicious cycle. Best example is LCW.
And we are talking about KKK/TBH. TBH esp the pressure gets to him, at WC 2007, it happened.
Another example = CTF/LWW. Rexy said one time (not me, the coach said)"they put too much pressure on themselves." When they put pressurized themselves too much, lose.
b) You gave tennis & football, sports which Msia is not excelling in. Take sailing & Equesterian, Msia is Asian Games champ & SEA Games champ. I dont think these 2 sports are OG sports. Also no pressure, no expectation, they won.
3) The Indonesian fans in this forum dont critize their players as much. They said so and also said we Msian fans, media and the government, are too critical of our baddy players. Do a search, this has been discussed.
"Nothing compared" eh?
Was Kido/Setiawan as intensely critized as KKK/TBH when they were in a slump 1st 6 months of 2007? The Indonesian forum members here said they were not = the fans are not, the media are not, the government are not.
Remember too when Park JB quit coaching in Msia, he gave the reason " public expectation is very high." He's in Japan now, still think the same.
China, perhaps, perhaps not, at least CCTV5 & GD Sports are supportive. Our Msian media are not,very critical - following the Sports Ministry lead.
I said intensely critized means including their every move, off court, private live, what they wear, - why do you think LCW & WMC didnt announce their relationship in Msia like LD & XXF? When China media intv WMC, WMC said it's cos LCW very popular in Msia, it's better for to keep low profile.
The China players (LD, XXF, Fu/Cai, Bao), are more relaxed, dont have to worry what people will critize like LCW does.
A non badminton example for Msia players : Nicol David won awards for Best Woman squash player of the year, won 8 titles. She lost 2. What thanks she got ? For the 2 tourneys she lost, must give "penjelasan" for all the funds the government spend to finance her training.
From what I read in the media, Federer or footballers get better appreciation.
If I'm a sportsperson, I'll rather fund myself if that's the case.
4) a) And the issue on Hafiz, for the upteenth time, he's with Nusa Mahsuri, not BAM, no amount of pressure from NSC will work. He can play as long as his club wants him to, like the KLRC players.
b) How do you know Hafiz not under pressure? Might be too much pressure too after AE 2003, that's why cannot perform.
In any case, lets agree to disagree on this,no point wasting energy to debate further...(need to get some work done)
01-03-2008, 02:05 PM #20
Rexy should not crack a whip.. he should whip it Indiana Jones style.
01-03-2008, 07:12 PM #21
Hmm..just my 5 rupiahs..
Last edited by ctjcad; 01-03-2008 at 07:21 PM.
01-03-2008, 07:48 PM #22
From the Indonesia articles I've read online, their media not so critical. Indonesia forum members also say their government doesnt pressure as hard as Msia. Doesnt mean no pressure, just not as hard
Fans = I also take into account fans response outside the forum in Msia. The general public (90%) are also critical, lose one time - "they no use one lah." LCW lost SemiF Denmark open due to knee injury, no sympathies at all, say he's whining <Sigh>
Indonesia BC members also say we Msia fans are very critical, after comparing Indonesia fans response outside the forum.
Read the article in Utusan Msia in the Msia Open 2008 thread, this year Rexy started off with asking everyone not to put too much pressure on the players as it will cause them to panic & lose.
Read TBH's responses, it's very obvious he's effected by the pressure, not surprising considering his inexperience & personality (Pemuda will have another field say with this).
Last edited by eaglehelang; 01-03-2008 at 07:58 PM.
01-03-2008, 07:57 PM #23
A bit off topic-Critical in what way??..
In INA's case, true, I would say the "criticisms" (media, govt., fans) are there but more subtle and tend to be on the "concerned" side.
*I know you probably understand most of the Indonesian language, so if you like you can go to an INA-based badminton related website, one of a few out there, www.bulutangkis.com and read some of the articles in there; mostly related to INA badminton.(not sure if you've been there or not)
Last edited by ctjcad; 01-03-2008 at 08:08 PM.
01-03-2008, 09:10 PM #24
Malaysia excelling in equesterian!?? You mean by winning some gold medal in the SEA games competing against the likes of Brunei, Laos, Cambodia ... to you is excelling??
Sailing ... you consider Malaysia a powerhouse in this sport??? Hmmm ... how come I dont read Malaysia making waves in the sailing world???
You mentioned too much pressure will lead to our sports people buckling under pressure. Well, I put to you tennis and football as an example because there are no pressure there. Our tennis players are not expected to win. They have no pressure whatsoever etc. Our football team were not expected to win the Asian Cup, no pressure again ... but look what happened??
Just because you dont see any Indonesian being critical about Indonesia players in this forum, you make an assumption that Indonesians in general are supportive of their badminton players and have less expectations???
Whether Hafiz is with Nusa Mahsuri or Mickey Mouse club, it does not matter. The point is the lad is still not producing despite the public expecting him to deliver nothing in each tournament. He has no pressure at all to deliver. In every tournament, our eyes are on LCW not Hafiz. So in terms of pressure Hafiz got it pretty easy .... as such, with no pressure at all, how come the lad is still not delivering??
Last edited by Pemuda; 01-03-2008 at 09:20 PM.
01-03-2008, 09:16 PM #25
..eaglehelang is a she...She's not a "dude"...Perhaps a "dudette"?!..
Last edited by ctjcad; 01-03-2008 at 09:26 PM.
01-03-2008, 09:19 PM #26
01-03-2008, 09:23 PM #27
The more pressure the Malaysian pairs receive from their coaches, media, fans, and public, the better it will be for Ina pairs...because usually the Malaysian pairs do not perform well when they are under pressure.
01-03-2008, 09:26 PM #28
01-03-2008, 09:28 PM #29
In Beijing, we cannot just empty out the entire stadium, change the umpires and line judges to Malaysians whenever Malaysia shuttlers take to the court, right???
01-03-2008, 11:06 PM #30
what i've said is going to happen.
its too clear.now u will debate(not argument) about the same issue with no points n confused other ppls.maybe in 3 pages.
good luck.i'll stay out of this.
01-03-2008, 11:14 PM #31
Hafiz is dubbed yo-yo King here, tak kuasa want to waste some more energy talking about him. Think about CCE/CCM re-partnering again better.
Current Rewards scheme, some countries have surpassed us. Currently, Msia's rewards for OG gold = RM160K, far less than Spore, Korea (it was reported in the newspapers). RM160K want to buy new teres house also not enuf. Spore is S$1 million.
SEA Games reward payment, Indonesia even higher than Singapore after exchange rates(read the SEA Games thread).
Back to KKK/TBH, in this aspect, Rexy wouldnt let them become big headed to avoid any form of free falling, whether from the sky or mountain
01-04-2008, 12:36 AM #32
01-04-2008, 12:39 AM #33
IMHO, pressure can work both ways....one is to motivate oneself to achieve the target, but, it can also backfire.
Just look at Rexy's infamous comments on having 4 MD in the WC Semi-Finals last year...it was supposed to be a pressure to the players to perform their best....yet...it backfired and they failed to perform.
I am also inclined to agree with eaglehelang that one has the tendency to perform well when he/she is not under pressure....just try your best
01-04-2008, 12:42 AM #34
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