PAW 2008 (Info & Discussion)

[Sandy]

y don't do both??

PAW had tradition following badminton player who can only play in one tournament in a week.
With current number of PAWers, I think a small number players who compete in lower tournament which held in same week with higher category tournament.

[Sandy]

Still didn't find any website which will update Indian Open 2008 's score/results, while Finnish Int. Challenge has confirmed run by tournamentsoftware.

We will wait until Tuesday.
To be no "chaos" in PAW, if no results/score resources, we change to hold PAW Finnish Int. Challenge this week.

confirm,

This week, PAW held in Finnish International Challenge,
but PAW won't held in India Open because of lack of result's info.

[azabaz_ipoh]

2008 PAW Team's Race Ranking
As of March 31, 2008

-#-.Pre#-.TEAM------------------ -Pts--. TRN

001.(___).Dream.Team.......DRM.. __8840. ..1
002.(___).Mad.Hatters......MAD.. __8480. ..1
003.(___).Wonderful.World..WOW.. __5450. ..1
004.(___).Chong.Wei.Club...CWC.. __4864. ..1



The points are counted from best-3 of every team

wow! we really sucked george. maybe we should change the name of our team to Can Win Club.

[cooler]

wow! we really sucked george. maybe we should change the name of our team to Can Win Club.

or in short, cwc =.. boleh?

[Loh]

2008 PAW Team's Race Ranking
As of March 31, 2008

-#-.Pre#-.TEAM------------------ -Pts--. TRN

001.(___).Dream.Team.......DRM.. __8840. ..1
002.(___).Mad.Hatters......MAD.. __8480. ..1
003.(___).Wonderful.World..WOW.. __5450. ..1
004.(___).Chong.Wei.Club...CWC.. __4864. ..1



The points are counted from best-3 of every team

Thank you Sandy for being able to use your present system to calculate the TEAM positions and points. This makes things easier for everybody.

[huangkwokhau]

Wwo...Dreamteam and Mad Hatters are so close........hm..here wecome for Finnish Challenge

[azabaz_ipoh]

oh ya, how forgetful of me. thanks sandy for helping out with the team thingy.

oh, can win invites cooler to make fun of us. let's use cool wind as our team name george. hahahaha

[huangkwokhau]

oh ya, how forgetful of me. thanks sandy for helping out with the team thingy.

oh, can win invites cooler to make fun of us. let's use cool wind as our team name george. hahahaha

Hm..may be George, the Jungle?

[cooler]

Hm..may be George, the Jungle?

how about boleh club.

[george@chongwei]

hmm, stop giving ideas about my group name!
azabaz_ipoh, i think i will remain the group name as the same becoz this is juz the beginning, we are not yet on fire..
we will show them(other group) our power if we are on top form!
haha

[george@chongwei]

our group will not have some surgery operation

[azabaz_ipoh]

our group will not have some surgery operation

hahahaha. i hope not.

[huangkwokhau]

our group will not have some surgery operation

if you keep losing ...yes..then you have to get surgery,....

[Dmitry]

Sandy, one more observation concerning the teams ranking. Maybe it's a good idea (for team race) just to sum up the ranking points earned by 3 top team members, but how are you going to calculate the team positions for every PAW competition? Using the ranking points table doesn't seem to be very convenient, as the PAW tournament results are updated many times (thank you!), sometimes a few times per day, and making these conversions for all the players... would be too boring... I guess you decided to use the system proposed by Loh: sum up the 3 top players positions. But sometimes this may give strange results...

The problem is that the rule "lower position - bigger ranking points" is obviously valid for a single player, but can be violated for a "sum of players" (team). Example: suppose team A has 1, 4, 6 positions, and team B has 2, 3, 5 positions. If we use the sum of positions, team B wins (10 over 11). But for the team race competition, team A wins! Indeed, team A would earn 4000+2600+2240=8840 ranking points, while team B would earn only 3400+2960+2400=8760 points. If madbad were finished #5 instead of #7, we would have now exactly this situation, DRM being team A and MAD being team B.

In some sense it may be even better (and funny): OK, you won this PAW tournament, but we got more ranking points - some kind of satisfaction. But if we want to avoid such confusions, I see only two possibilities:

1. Use the same ranking points system "within" every PAW tournament. I don't think it's a good solution, even the above "confusion" would be better.

2. Switch to a different team race ranking system, so that a team staying higher in a tournament will get more ranking points. On the other hand, we should take into account the different "weights" of tournaments (e.g. Superseries vs. Int.Challenge). One of the possible solutions - use the ranking table for teams as a whole. For example, now the team race table would be like that:
-#-.Pre#-.TEAM------------------ -Pts--. TRN
001.(___).Dream.Team.......DRM.. __4000. ..1
002.(___).Mad.Hatters......MAD.. __3400. ..1
003.(___).Wonderful.World..WOW.. __2960. ..1
004.(___).Chong.Wei.Club...CWC.. __2600. ..1

However, I'm not sure this is the best solution. Frankly speaking, I even don't mind the current system as well. I simply want to stress your attention on the possible confusions that can take place in future. I believe, Sandy, your final decision will be the best one.

[huangkwokhau]

You havea good point..........

[Loh]

One way is to separate the individual results from the Team results, so that the individual score points will not interfere with the Team standings that may lead to confusion. In other words, no conversion is necessary.

This would mean adopting the "SSS" (short, sweet and simple) method that was first proposed. Using the conversion method for team results may distort the Teams standings not originally intended.

Disagreements and arguments may follow as a result.

[vching]

oh what have i done!

I missed the Polish International Challenge!

And btw, I have been reading through the whole thread, and still am confused about the PAW team rankings... How does that work?? :S