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01-31-2008, 01:53 AM #188
(thank you for your answer and last sentence of your post. I think we can all agree on that).
..PM me if you'd still like to discuss about this. The Agency of BadmintonCentral Detectives will be here & listening. If not, then the ABCD considers this case as : closed.
Last edited by ctjcad; 01-31-2008 at 01:56 AM.
01-31-2008, 01:56 AM #189
i was wondering, we read a lot of reports from chinese newspapers and reporters and also malaysian reporters and reuters. what does other countries journalists saying about this incident? what are the korean newspapers and reporters saying. interesting to know if they did not report anything on this matter and more so if they neglect to point out their countrymen's bad line calls not just in the finals but throughout the tournaments. anybody read any reports from korea?
01-31-2008, 08:46 AM #190
In the KO threads, I asked where they got the info from, or was that punishment for another tournament, they were too heated up in the debates to answer.
I'm still 'flying' about, trying to find that part but..... it was too long ago.
Nvm, we shall see what decision BWF makes from this.
Definitely, future newbies, KO 08, CO 07 threads very interesting read.
01-31-2008, 08:50 AM #191
01-31-2008, 10:32 AM #192
01-31-2008, 11:00 AM #193
01-31-2008, 11:00 AM #194
i hope systems like hawk-eye will be ready to be impelemented by that time..since spectators n fans will become more n more sensitive about line judging.Even one or two misscalls will cause spectators to think that the team win the game by fault.We don't wish that to happend..n somehow the judging teams r haven't fulfill our demands n hope yet.So,the best to prevent that kind of accidents happend,we need lenses!
01-31-2008, 12:12 PM #195
if we can make a comparison with the zidane and materazzi world cup fiasco, there are other factors that contributed to his headbutting incident. if you have not read about it, apprently materazzi said something about zidane's mother and sister. now, in any other place, anybody would react like zidane. headbutting might be the least of it. people could get killed saying things like that. no confrontation occur by itself and involves only one party. there must be things that happens that leads to it. now, zidane was given the red card. the french team lost playing with 10 men. how is it that much different from LD's actions? violence is violence. and how could anybody suggest that he should not be punished for what he did?
just because other people do wrong should we follow suit? two wrongs does not make a right as apparent with the incident in korea open. it only takes one party to calm down and back off and the whole thing would have died down. but because words were shouted, gestures were aggresive, actions were violent, it escalated.
i agree. actions should be taken with all party involved. i suggested in the "penalty for LD" thread that LD should be fined and suspended, LM should be fined and suspended from attending his charges matches and korea open organizer be fined and korean open suspended for one year. that should be fair to all party and hopefully a deterrent for any other players, coaches or tournament organizers to repeat this incident.
he was responding to the fact that too many calls was against his player (does not mean the umpire and the overturned calls he made were wrong, he might just be concerned of his player's mental condition at that point and wanted to support him) . this, however, does not mean that what LM did was right. his subsequent actions escalated the whole fiasco. but that would be what any coach would do regardless of what transpire. like in football, even if you see your player's handball and the referee wants to give a penalty, you would still argue on your player's side. coaches all over the world do it. no different here i think.
Again your analogy of coaches in other sports, like football, is not a good one. What LD did would be a peanut and none event comparing to many other sports. Hockey players fight with heavy sticks, LD only threw a light racket. So coaches in different sports may do things differently from the sports of baddy.
I would suggest playing like the old day. Keeping out the coaches from the courts and ear-shout of players. Don't even let them talk to players during breaks. Let players play, pure and simple and see how well they have been trained in advance.
Last edited by Birdwood; 01-31-2008 at 12:19 PM.
01-31-2008, 04:13 PM #196
During the interval/break, coaches and trainees can talk to one another
Something important has been brought out (in the quote above).
During play, a player can talk to the umpire. I stress that for complains of any kind, the player should only direct them to the umpire, not to the lines judges, not to the service judges, not to the opponent, and not to the coach. The umpire controls the play.
During play, a coach can talk to the referee. I stress that for complains of any kind, the coach should only direct them to the referee, not to the umpire, not to the service judges, not to lines judges, not to the opponent or trainee. The referee controls the tournament.
It is during the interval/break when coaches and trainees can talk to one another.
02-01-2008, 12:36 AM #197
02-01-2008, 02:53 AM #198
On Taufik's Punishment
Huang tried to find out, as far as he remember, no suspension for Taufik in the end, it was mentioned in news report bf Displinary Board's final decision. Taufik didnt go for one tourney, so ppl assumed Taufik got suspended.
Fine - As far as Huang recalls, PBSI or Taufik paid fine, dunno how much or when, since Displinary Board's decision was 23 Sept, match was 31 Aug.
Anyway, the official announcement is Taufik didnt get 2,970 ranking pts & USD$2,500 from HK 2006.
02-01-2008, 02:59 AM #199
i think the probability is very high. sport are emotional. tensions run high. but if you succumb to that pressure and acted badly, you have to apologize and received you punishment. no matter what sport, what situation or who.
i think some wrong are clear cut. throwing a racket away from yourself aiming at a place where there are people without those people harming you with bodily harm in the first place, whether you hit them or not, is wrong. do you say otherwise? a child in anger hits his brother for teasing him, would you not tell him that hitting is wrong? would you encourage the act of hitting? self defense is when you retaliate to what was done to you. people hit you, you hit back. but if people are shouting to you, why not just shout back. why try to hit with racket? or throw it in their direction?
are you saying you condone violence in sports? or do you excuse some violence in some sports? i dont. violence in violence. be it punching, or hitting, or shoving violently, or throwing objects at other people. no violence is peanut. not to the the intended person. yeah, coaches acted differently but do we really want badminton to go the way of ice hockey where it is sometimes free for all? we expect something more from the people our children is imitating.
02-01-2008, 03:10 AM #200
02-01-2008, 03:19 AM #201
for paragraph two and three, i gave examples of other sports because to know the impact on professional players in a high tension game is similar in any sport. and that includes baddy and football. because there is no precedence of this action in baddy i have to refer to another sport. i think the comparison was justified in highlighting my point.
for the third paragraph, i believe i was asking and not assuming that you meant it that way. those were questions. and i still haven't read your answers to those two questions. yeah, debates mean people will do rebuttals but i guess it should end somewhere. i hope you are not mad. i see this as a healthy debate. and thus i will indeed agree to disagree with you.
02-01-2008, 03:27 AM #202
02-01-2008, 03:43 AM #203
02-01-2008, 03:47 AM #204
"i think some wrong are clear cut. throwing a racket away from yourself aiming at a place where there are people without those people harming you with bodily harm in the first place, whether you hit them or not, is wrong. do you say otherwise"
So, do you think that Lin Dan's action of hurling the racket at Li Mao was justified? Sorry if you did answer this question before as I am lazy to check out entire thread
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