01-28-2008, 09:58 AM #86
Bad line calls you say? How about bias linespeople!
I was there at the Jang Chung Gymnasium during the Men's Singles finals between Lin Dan and Lee Hyun-il. I actually saw a female linesperson, on the side of Lee Hyun-il, clap her hand during an important point to Lee's favor. After she realized that she made a mistake of clapping, she immediately looked around to check if anybody saw her.
Seeing this, I don't think the Korean linespeople at the 2008 Korea Open were neutral.
01-28-2008, 10:18 AM #87
01-28-2008, 10:28 AM #88
Hiring non-locals as linemen would be expensive, so the organiser seek locals as volunteers (some of them are even students!!!). in another words, they did not go through any course or training to be a linesman. so we should expect the kinda of "favorable" calls yet humanely made Havent we forgotten the FIFA WORLD CUP in Korea and Soul 88 Olympics (Boxing)??? Our Taufik walked off in KO??? It wasnt coincidental, it was patriotism overrules passion of the beautiful games Shame on you, the linesman.
There's no quick fix to this controversy coz BWF has limited funds compare to FIFA or ATP. The hawkeye technology is available but expensive, unless BWF secures IBM sponsorship.
Lastly, do NOT expect OG08 to be a "clean" and "neutral" coz LYB would tell you he is the boss in CHN!!!
01-28-2008, 10:40 AM #89
01-28-2008, 10:50 AM #90
01-28-2008, 10:57 AM #91
Was LD "robbed" of the title How were you behave if you were been robbed of your possession? Maybe a range of responses from crying, screaming, kicking to fighting back. LD did go extreme at that moment, but understandable to me
btw, we'll need to add a face symbol in the forum for fist fight if things don't get fixed soon
01-28-2008, 11:10 AM #92
Not sure about your other points, but there were numerous overules by the umpire/tournament referree throughout the Korean Open to correct bad calls (just look at the tournament daily summaries).
I have to applaud IBF for doing a better job here and having some non partisan umpires and tournament ref. I was quite surprised that there were so many corrections. Usually the bad calls just stand.
What is strange is that any/more of the ?? line judges weren't replaced. Is this not a perogative of the player to request such an action? You have to tough mentally to do this though. If so, more excercising of this right would help correct bad calls significantly. Or the tournament ref should do it immediately in any high stakes matches.
Second, I'm not sure LHI really has the credibility to say that it's just like that in the China Open. Sure the calls were bad there, but Korean major sporting events have had a much longer reputation of controversy starting w/ the 1988 Seoul games, 2002 world cup, etc ..... Much more convincing from say Kenneth Jonassen ....
I do have to say it is disappointing that China has joined the bad line calls club. Time was when they didn't resort to these types of tactics. This could be a change of the culture and not for the better.
Hopefully something structurally and rules wise can be done to miminimize this sort of thing. Really a bummer to enjoying the game.
01-28-2008, 11:11 AM #93
just 2 cents..
01-28-2008, 11:15 AM #94
Actually now that I think about it, it should be the tournament/referre/IBF that takes full responsibility for changing the linespeople. It is unfair to ask the players to be responsible for ensuring a professional, fair environment for competition. That is the organzer's responsibility.
It's also too easy for the remaining lines judges to become biased against a player for asking one of them to be removed.
01-28-2008, 11:26 AM #95
01-28-2008, 11:35 AM #96
Why he went into rage to protest? Because (1) linesmen wrongly called LHI's shot in, instead out (2) umpire would not listen to his plea (3) ML did something with his words, movements, expression, etc. What's this "the form of protest must also be right", do you think LD should wait patiently in Beijing for BWF to take back the title from LHI and hand over to him What's the chance there? None.
No way I condone LD's behavior. But in that situation, he did what he thought was the right form of protest, unless you have any better suggestions for him to resolve being robbed a point and possibly the MS title on the spot
01-28-2008, 11:59 AM #97
I could not clearly see the shuttle was out from the provided video. I would not comment it. There is no doubt that LD is outstanding badminton player, no matter you say he just smashes and taps.....whatever it takes to win a game is a great player. On another hand, I have no respect of him because he said no home court advantage when lost his game in CO07 and threw racket outside of court is totally unacceptable. I wish WBF really takes serious action against the incident. I certainly won't mind losing a great player than has such poor spirit player on the court.
The earth moves on with or without you.
01-28-2008, 12:03 PM #98
If anything changes, other things may or may not change and we will never find out. We can go into possibility and probability calculations, but with that we will not be able to discuss anything. One might ask what if there had been an earthquake in KO 08, then wouldn't we all be saved from those discussions, would we?
01-28-2008, 12:10 PM #99
i personally believe LM said something to make LD angry... i watched the match live... let's say, LD threw his racket in LM and the umpire's direction... but after a few seconds, LD was very enranged... angry to the point that he wants to smack LM with his racket... now now, what could have possibly triggered that...
01-28-2008, 12:38 PM #100
LD always had a strong personality even b4 he was world #1, he has no fear or respect for any of his opponent, whatever he did on that day was considered inappropriate, but then it had already happened so what can we do..
I suggest everyone, lets just move on and anticipate for more exciting events ahead, leave this behind and forget about it, no point speculating what they said to each other, because no one have heard the entire conversation other than LD and LM
01-28-2008, 01:32 PM #101
As to your point "The earth moves on with or without you", I am not sure. This is a typical thinking in US because one takes responsibility for his/her own action(s). But in the international arena of sports If BWF's decision on LD was not received well by Chn, alienates Chn baddy team and offends Chn politically, Chn may boycott KO 09 and other SS. Then what will happen to international baddy? Can BFW ill-afford the consequence of an all Chn pullout? The earth may move without LD, but will baddy move without Chn? It's a lose-lose situation and no one wants to see that from happening
If you understand Chinese, you might want to take a look at the "Documentary of China Badminton" http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=50768. It will show you that Chn was not invited to international baddy tournaments after "new" China was established in 1949. What happened after that? One can draw own conclusion
01-28-2008, 02:49 PM #102
No one want to see lose-lose situation; however, rule must be set and must be followed. If violate the rule, then you have to pay for it.
Someone guessed LM said something to anger LD. Should LM be punished? Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished? As a player, you should learn how to control yourself and focus only on the game. This is a learning experience for LD and LCW as well as all of us.
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