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    Default Bad line calls you say? How about bias linespeople!

    I was there at the Jang Chung Gymnasium during the Men's Singles finals between Lin Dan and Lee Hyun-il. I actually saw a female linesperson, on the side of Lee Hyun-il, clap her hand during an important point to Lee's favor. After she realized that she made a mistake of clapping, she immediately looked around to check if anybody saw her.

    Seeing this, I don't think the Korean linespeople at the 2008 Korea Open were neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    Hi Madbad, yes I have been very-very busy lately...almost no time to visit BC.

    I guess it is time for those sitting in the leadership of BWF transfer their "seats" to younger and fresher successors...As the same problem has recurred and no immediate smart and strategic method of solving it is in sight, it really indicates that BWF needs an immediate total reform. The vision, missions and strategies of BWF need to be reviewed...Otherwise this condition will only put BWF on the brink of collapse....
    The BWF is actually quite problematic already! Look at the quarrel between punchy punch and ganga rao, both of which are from Malaysia, which required the interjection of the Malaysian Minister of Sports a few times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphonse View Post
    I was there at the Jang Chung Gymnasium during the Men's Singles finals between Lin Dan and Lee Hyun-il. I actually saw a female linesperson, on the side of Lee Hyun-il, clap her hand during an important point to Lee's favor. After she realized that she made a mistake of clapping, she immediately looked around to check if anybody saw her.

    Seeing this, I don't think the Korean linespeople at the 2008 Korea Open were neutral.
    I aint suprised at what you had witnessed. She is a human afterall, and loving and supporting his country is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Hiring non-locals as linemen would be expensive, so the organiser seek locals as volunteers (some of them are even students!!!). in another words, they did not go through any course or training to be a linesman. so we should expect the kinda of "favorable" calls yet humanely made Havent we forgotten the FIFA WORLD CUP in Korea and Soul 88 Olympics (Boxing)??? Our Taufik walked off in KO??? It wasnt coincidental, it was patriotism overrules passion of the beautiful games Shame on you, the linesman.

    There's no quick fix to this controversy coz BWF has limited funds compare to FIFA or ATP. The hawkeye technology is available but expensive, unless BWF secures IBM sponsorship.

    Lastly, do NOT expect OG08 to be a "clean" and "neutral" coz LYB would tell you he is the boss in CHN!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Lastly, do NOT expect OG08 to be a "clean" and "neutral" coz LYB would tell you he is the boss in CHN!!!
    I agree it will not be "clean". Not on badminton, or any other events, which is why more precise technology/equipment is needed to help a "clean" call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yen_saw View Post
    Hawkeye system cost more money than just instant replay, but to be honest, it doesn't cost THAT much to include one, or even several on the courts. BWF can definately afford it with all the advertisement money (where is the money really gone to?) But for now i think instant replay with multiple cameras from different angles should work. Even for a game in NBA there is instant replay to determine if the last second ball made the basket as time expire, why can't badminton?
    Do you know that Badminton is the fastest (in terms of speed) game in sports? If i'm not mistaken, Fu/Chai hold the record for 300++kmh It is faster than tennis!!! At this lightning speed, you dont think the hawkeye is expensive? Think twice my dear fren

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsakurax View Post
    No matter what bad line calls can really affect the player attitude and emotion...i'm really glad that lcw handle it in a very good way in CO....this proved to everyone that lcw is not mentally weak....i hate some people who are saying that bad line calls cannot affect the player >.<
    Now we can see how lin dan reacted towards this kind of incident....something that we are not really expected..
    Anyway i think bwf should find a solution to overcome this problem...this things are getting serious and it will ruin the fun of badminton...it is not good for this sport..more controversy will happen in the future...T_T
    What you said is correct. Players should all handle things more like LCW than LD. But, you also failed to pay close attention to the scores at the time. It happened at 21-21 in MSF KO 08. If the shuttlecocks had been called out, it would give LD the match point. Since he won the next point, LD would have won MS title in KO 08 by (23-21) instead of losing it (23-25 to LHI). Most of us can see from the video that the shuttle landed out, but was called in

    Was LD "robbed" of the title How were you behave if you were been robbed of your possession? Maybe a range of responses from crying, screaming, kicking to fighting back. LD did go extreme at that moment, but understandable to me

    btw, we'll need to add a face symbol in the forum for fist fight if things don't get fixed soon

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    Not sure about your other points, but there were numerous overules by the umpire/tournament referree throughout the Korean Open to correct bad calls (just look at the tournament daily summaries).

    I have to applaud IBF for doing a better job here and having some non partisan umpires and tournament ref. I was quite surprised that there were so many corrections. Usually the bad calls just stand.

    What is strange is that any/more of the ?? line judges weren't replaced. Is this not a perogative of the player to request such an action? You have to tough mentally to do this though. If so, more excercising of this right would help correct bad calls significantly. Or the tournament ref should do it immediately in any high stakes matches.

    Second, I'm not sure LHI really has the credibility to say that it's just like that in the China Open. Sure the calls were bad there, but Korean major sporting events have had a much longer reputation of controversy starting w/ the 1988 Seoul games, 2002 world cup, etc ..... Much more convincing from say Kenneth Jonassen ....

    I do have to say it is disappointing that China has joined the bad line calls club. Time was when they didn't resort to these types of tactics. This could be a change of the culture and not for the better.

    Hopefully something structurally and rules wise can be done to miminimize this sort of thing. Really a bummer to enjoying the game.





    Quote Originally Posted by ants View Post
    I think this shows that LinDan was mentally weak? Well its probably based on what some might say. But personally i think Lee Hyun Ill deserve the win. He was under pressure actually to play in homeground after coming 2nd place in MO and win over LCW and the rest, furthermore Lindan did hold match point in the 3rd set while Lee was still 2 points behind. He was composed and calm.
    Too bad Lindan was badly affected by the call. And the calls either bad or good was during the crucial games. The other matches which include and doesnt not include the Koreans did not have any bad calls at all during the KO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwood View Post
    If the shuttlecocks had been called out, it would give LD the match point. Since he won the next point, LD would have won MS title in KO 08 by (23-21) instead of losing it (23-25 to LHI). Most of us can see from the video that the shuttle landed out, but was called in
    Of course it is an invalid asumption tha LD "must" have won the next point just because he did under "current circumstanses".. For example, he would have the dissadvantage of serve in that hypothetical scenario. and the break would not have afected both players.. He may also have been less (or more) nervous serving for the match etc..

    just 2 cents..

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    Actually now that I think about it, it should be the tournament/referre/IBF that takes full responsibility for changing the linespeople. It is unfair to ask the players to be responsible for ensuring a professional, fair environment for competition. That is the organzer's responsibility.

    It's also too easy for the remaining lines judges to become biased against a player for asking one of them to be removed.



    Quote Originally Posted by hollywood_t View Post
    What is strange is that any/more of the ?? line judges weren't replaced. Is this not a perogative of the player to request such an action? You have to tough mentally to do this though. If so, more excercising of this right would help correct bad calls significantly. Or the tournament ref should do it immediately in any high stakes matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Do you know that Badminton is the fastest (in terms of speed) game in sports? If i'm not mistaken, Fu/Chai hold the record for 300++kmh It is faster than tennis!!! At this lightning speed, you dont think the hawkeye is expensive? Think twice my dear fren
    We are not talking about speed here, the issue is judging whether it is a good call or not, and yes i know badminton very well, been playing this game for 20 years and at a competitive level. Hawkeye system can capture speed of any kind, it is not cheap but not astronomical figure and i merely want to point out that with all the money pouring in to this sport it is affordable, however, if you look back to my thread i have been suggesting an instant replay anyway, not hawkeye system that someone else recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong View Post
    You need to separate the two issues. The root problem has to be solved. But the form of protest must also be right. If, to give an extreme example, Lin Dan were to physically hurt the linejudge, he would be guilty as hell, notwithstanding whether the linejudge was right or wrong.
    I saw your line of thought a couple of times. This more sounds like what we teach kids or were taught growing up: what was the potential consequences for certain behaviors. But in justice system, the punishment has to fit the "crime". We can't go around to extrapolate what will happen if LD's racket was to hit someone just because LD threw his racket in MSF KO 08.

    Why he went into rage to protest? Because (1) linesmen wrongly called LHI's shot in, instead out (2) umpire would not listen to his plea (3) ML did something with his words, movements, expression, etc. What's this "the form of protest must also be right", do you think LD should wait patiently in Beijing for BWF to take back the title from LHI and hand over to him What's the chance there? None.

    No way I condone LD's behavior. But in that situation, he did what he thought was the right form of protest, unless you have any better suggestions for him to resolve being robbed a point and possibly the MS title on the spot

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    I could not clearly see the shuttle was out from the provided video. I would not comment it. There is no doubt that LD is outstanding badminton player, no matter you say he just smashes and taps.....whatever it takes to win a game is a great player. On another hand, I have no respect of him because he said no home court advantage when lost his game in CO07 and threw racket outside of court is totally unacceptable. I wish WBF really takes serious action against the incident. I certainly won't mind losing a great player than has such poor spirit player on the court.

    The earth moves on with or without you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    Of course it is an invalid asumption tha LD "must" have won the next point just because he did under "current circumstanses".. For example, he would have the dissadvantage of serve in that hypothetical scenario. and the break would not have afected both players.. He may also have been less (or more) nervous serving for the match etc..

    just 2 cents..

    -Twobeer
    With all my respect, I would like to agree with you that the assumption might not be either a sure thing or a correct one. We all play baddy one way or the other and we know anything can happen if we waited another 5'' before serving, serve a little differently, play the shuttlecocks at a slight different angle, etc. But, I was discussing it as an after-fact that LD did win the next point so he should have won the MS title in KO 08 if he had gained a point at 21-21. Nothing can beat that argument by simply looking at the sequence of the scores.

    If anything changes, other things may or may not change and we will never find out. We can go into possibility and probability calculations, but with that we will not be able to discuss anything. One might ask what if there had been an earthquake in KO 08, then wouldn't we all be saved from those discussions, would we?

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    i personally believe LM said something to make LD angry... i watched the match live... let's say, LD threw his racket in LM and the umpire's direction... but after a few seconds, LD was very enranged... angry to the point that he wants to smack LM with his racket... now now, what could have possibly triggered that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bic33 View Post
    i personally believe LM said something to make LD angry... i watched the match live... let's say, LD threw his racket in LM and the umpire's direction... but after a few seconds, LD was very enranged... angry to the point that he wants to smack LM with his racket... now now, what could have possibly triggered that...
    Cmon.. everyone is different.. some are more aggressive and some are cool & calm.. Some people just cant take criticism or verbal insult, & they resort to violence (not being sarcastic here)
    LD always had a strong personality even b4 he was world #1, he has no fear or respect for any of his opponent, whatever he did on that day was considered inappropriate, but then it had already happened so what can we do..
    I suggest everyone, lets just move on and anticipate for more exciting events ahead, leave this behind and forget about it, no point speculating what they said to each other, because no one have heard the entire conversation other than LD and LM

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepang View Post
    I could not clearly see the shuttle was out from the provided video. I would not comment it. There is no doubt that LD is outstanding badminton player, no matter you say he just smashes and taps.....whatever it takes to win a game is a great player. On another hand, I have no respect of him because he said no home court advantage when lost his game in CO07 and threw racket outside of court is totally unacceptable. I wish WBF really takes serious action against the incident. I certainly won't mind losing a great player than has such poor spirit player on the court.

    The earth moves on with or without you.
    I have to agree with you that some kind of actions on the incident should be taken, possibly meter out punishment to LD and LM. But WBF has to do this even-handed and has to get to the bottom of the issue, which was a series of bad line calls, one at a critical point, and inconsideration by the umpire to LD's request for LD to possibly lose MS title in KO 08. Unless BWF can do both at the same time, any hash punishment to LD would be viewed as unfair by Chn.

    As to your point "The earth moves on with or without you", I am not sure. This is a typical thinking in US because one takes responsibility for his/her own action(s). But in the international arena of sports If BWF's decision on LD was not received well by Chn, alienates Chn baddy team and offends Chn politically, Chn may boycott KO 09 and other SS. Then what will happen to international baddy? Can BFW ill-afford the consequence of an all Chn pullout? The earth may move without LD, but will baddy move without Chn? It's a lose-lose situation and no one wants to see that from happening

    If you understand Chinese, you might want to take a look at the "Documentary of China Badminton" http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=50768. It will show you that Chn was not invited to international baddy tournaments after "new" China was established in 1949. What happened after that? One can draw own conclusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwood View Post
    As to your point "The earth moves on with or without you", I am not sure. This is a typical thinking in US because one takes responsibility for his/her own action(s). But in the international arena of sports If BWF's decision on LD was not received well by Chn, alienates Chn baddy team and offends Chn politically, Chn may boycott KO 09 and other SS. Then what will happen to international baddy? Can BFW ill-afford the consequence of an all Chn pullout? The earth may move without LD, but will baddy move without Chn? It's a lose-lose situation and no one wants to see that from happening
    As an org, which moderate the international badminton activities, should not be afraid of taking serious actions against the health of the badminton. Otherwise, what is the purpose of having such org in place? If they are afraid of all Chn pullout and leave it as it is. All sports will laugh at WBF.

    No one want to see lose-lose situation; however, rule must be set and must be followed. If violate the rule, then you have to pay for it.

    Someone guessed LM said something to anger LD. Should LM be punished? Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished? As a player, you should learn how to control yourself and focus only on the game. This is a learning experience for LD and LCW as well as all of us.

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