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    Quote Originally Posted by sepang View Post
    As an org, which moderate the international badminton activities, should not be afraid of taking serious actions against the health of the badminton. Otherwise, what is the purpose of having such org in place? If they are afraid of all Chn pullout and leave it as it is. All sports will laugh at WBF.

    No one want to see lose-lose situation; however, rule must be set and must be followed. If violate the rule, then you have to pay for it.

    Someone guessed LM said something to anger LD. Should LM be punished? Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished? As a player, you should learn how to control yourself and focus only on the game. This is a learning experience for LD and LCW as well as all of us.
    I totally agree to hold everyone accountable based on the rules. But it appeared to be more complex this time than simply LD did something or TH did something. There was a series of events leading to the point of boiling over. It's very difficult for BWF to meter out punishments proportional to how much each side should share the blame. BWF shares the blame too for an out-dated line-judging system, which is hardly working. I think WBF will take a symbolic action against LD or anyone, nothing substantial to avoid further aggravating or escalating the situation since it did appear LD had won the point and could possibly have won MS title in KO 08 without the bad line call.

    I don't think it's BWF vs. LD, but BWF vs. Chn In my opinion, BWF will rather concentrate on fixing the problem instead of confronting thorny issues

    btw, I am not familiar with the quote "LYB said to break LCW leg". If you care to elaborate, we could go into that for further discussion, otherwise I can't give my opinion on your question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwood View Post
    I totally agree to hold everyone accountable based on the rules. But it appeared to be more complex this time than simply LD did something or TH did something. There was a series of events leading to the point of boiling over. It's very difficult for BWF to meter out punishments proportional to how much each side should share the blame. BWF shares the blame too for an out-dated line-judging system, which is hardly working. I think WBF will take a symbolic action against LD or anyone, nothing substantial to avoid further aggravating or escalating the situation since it did appear LD had won the point and could possibly have won MS title in KO 08 without the bad line call.

    I don't think it's BWF vs. LD, but BWF vs. Chn In my opinion, BWF will rather concentrate on fixing the problem instead of confronting thorny issues

    btw, I am not familiar with the quote "LYB said to break LCW leg". If you care to elaborate, we could go into that for further discussion, otherwise I can't give my opinion on your question
    yes, it's all lead back to bwf fixing the problem from the source, error prone human line judging on this suppose to be the fastest racket game (shuttle speed) on earth. So far we have 2 star players, TH and LD, involved in 2 highly heated incidents because of 'supposed' poor line judging. From past videos, i also saw bad call on peter gade, kenneth J, plus many other pros. It's time for BWF to do something of real improvement. Swifting different umpire/line judges on different matches is just cosmetic changes. Humans still make errors, intentionally or unintentionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwood View Post
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    btw, I am not familiar with the quote "LYB said to break LCW leg". If you care to elaborate, we could go into that for further discussion, otherwise I can't give my opinion on your question
    ..was somewhat brought up/discussed upside & inside out, but the phrase/comment was probably taken out of context; yes, it should be discussed in its appropriate sub-forum (a few BCers might lead you to the origin of that)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..was somewhat brought up/discussed upside & inside out, but the phrase/comment was probably taken out of context; yes, it should be discussed in its appropriate sub-forum (a few BCers might lead you to the origin of that)..
    Correct. Since it was told by sepang as a fact "Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished?" and a question was posted to me, I had to respond to his remarks. Unless he brings a more complete picture to this thread, I can't go around BC forum and sub-forum to read every posts for all the relevant facts. That topic should be discussed somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwood View Post
    Correct. Since it was told by sepang as a fact "Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished?" and a question was posted to me, I had to respond to his remarks. Unless he brings a more complete picture to this thread, I can't go around BC forum and sub-forum to read every posts for all the relevant facts. That topic should be discussed somewhere else
    That incident happened in WC 2006 in Madrid. It was LCW vs China MS, I think it was BCL,definately not LD. LYB shouted "Break his legs" in Mandarin, it effected LCW psychologically, LCW lost the match. In that incident, LCW was critised by many (Msia govern, media, fans)as mentally weak.

    I think Sepang point is : The coach (LYB) made provacative remark, wasnt punished. So, should Li Mao be punished? Of course this incident is more dramatic.

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    I just have one comment:

    Lin Dan swept over Lee Hyun Il 21-4 and could have won it in the second set. Yet, he missed those matchpoints. The same thing happened in the rubber-set, before all those controversies set in. If he won it at that time, we wouldn't have all this bouhaha.

    So, who was to be blamed, if not for Lin Dan himself He had the chances to seal up the match without any controversies and he failed to do that.

    Move on ppl......

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    The camere/hawkeye system was covered in Msian's press today :
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    BWF must act before it's too late


    29 January, 2008

    THE Badminton World Federation (BWF) can't say it wasn't warned. The unsavoury scenes that marred the Korea Open men's singles final on Sunday were just waiting to happen. A number of players, led by 2004 Athens Olympics champion Taufik Hidayat, had spoken before about how difficult it is to have fair play in several countries.

    Taufik, when in Kuala Lumpur, named the countries with South Korea and China among them.

    In the Korea Open, Lin Dan erupted with fury when a shot from Lee Hyun Il that was clearly out was called in and briefly, it seemed that a free-for-all would break out as coaches from both teams threatened to enter the fray.

    The call came at a crucial moment as it allowed Hyun Il to save the match and go on to win the title.

    Disturbingly, such injustice will happen again and with China already having proclaimed it is eyeing a clean sweep of the five gold medals in the Beijing Olympics in August, BWF has to swing into action.

    Badminton can't afford to be tarnished by dubious line calls in Beijing, not when it is still an infant in terms of its status as an Olympic sport.

    Since badminton became a medal sport in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, the BWF -- or the International Badminton Federation as it was previously called -- has worked hard to maintain its status.

    The scoring system was changed a couple of times as BWF tried to find the right formula to keep fans interested and sponsors coming in

    The time has come for BWF to introduce the Hawk-Eye technology that tennis is using. Cost is undoubtedly a factor but with badminton growing at a phenomenal rate, BWF has to take the next step if the sport is to progress.

    The advantages of the Hawk-Eye were clearly seen in the recent Australian Open Tennis Championships as unsavoury incidents were mostly avoided.

    BWF has a good thing going, and it must work hard to ensure this continues with an incident-free Beijing Olympics.

    l EITHER the Malaysia Hockey Federation or its alter-ego, the Malaysian Hockey Confederation, is now more than a million in debt. The lesson for national associations is to think carefully before committing themselves to expensive hosting jobs.

    While the quality of the Champions Trophy is undoubted, the price that both associations have to pay is high.

    The idea of hosting the Champions Trophy was to provide the national team with valuable exposure ahead of the Olympic Qualifier in Japan in April, but this could have been done at a fraction of the cost had the squad been sent to an invitational abroad.

    Even worse, the credit standing of whichever association responsible for the tournament has suffered a blow. And it would be wise if from now on, all associations carefully study the implications before bidding for hosting jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepang View Post
    As an org, which moderate the international badminton activities, should not be afraid of taking serious actions against the health of the badminton. Otherwise, what is the purpose of having such org in place? If they are afraid of all Chn pullout and leave it as it is. All sports will laugh at WBF.

    No one want to see lose-lose situation; however, rule must be set and must be followed. If violate the rule, then you have to pay for it.

    Someone guessed LM said something to anger LD. Should LM be punished? Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished? As a player, you should learn how to control yourself and focus only on the game. This is a learning experience for LD and LCW as well as all of us.
    Remember the case of HKO where Referee from China has said something to anger TH to walk out......Did referee get fine from BWF? NO.....Did TH get fine from BWF? Yes....
    BWF has to do something about it like Referee who was in charge in HKO 2006....you cant say like to the player..." you do not like the rule or decision...dont play""" this hsow that referee was not qualified enough..plus he was the one ( in recent CO 07) to create many problems for CO 07 also...( he was deputy of Referee head)....
    Having said that...I wont be surprised that BWF would call both of them and the player may get punished like TH...

    Comparing this KO's incident and TH in HKO was nothing but TH did get punishment....Incident in KO involved more violence...thats sad!

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    Default WBF - is the ROOT CAUSE of the problem !!!

    When the incident happend during recent KO 2008 , eveyone is trying to put the blame into someone . IMHP , the " ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM " is definately due to "WORLD BADMINTON FEDERATION" lack of professional management in BADMINTON as a whole .

    LIN DAN happend to be their latest victim , followed by LCW , TH , etc and the list will carry on as long as those " MORON " up there keep doing nothing and nothing and nothing .

    BADMINTON FANS will loose everything as time to come until we do have professional committee members in WBF .


    Frankly ..i pity the players and the fans .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepang View Post
    As an org, which moderate the international badminton activities, should not be afraid of taking serious actions against the health of the badminton. Otherwise, what is the purpose of having such org in place? If they are afraid of all Chn pullout and leave it as it is. All sports will laugh at WBF.

    No one want to see lose-lose situation; however, rule must be set and must be followed. If violate the rule, then you have to pay for it.

    Someone guessed LM said something to anger LD. Should LM be punished? Then, LYB said to break LCW leg, should LYB to be punished? As a player, you should learn how to control yourself and focus only on the game. This is a learning experience for LD and LCW as well as all of us.
    Sepang u got right into the money, BWF should not be dog and sniff over other players butt..
    They should just set strict rules and adhere to it
    Punish the troublemakers, if players decided to boycott then thats their own problem, it means less price money for them and putting their own sponsership in risk

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    btw, its not WBF, its not IBF, its BWF!!!!

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    Opsss ... spelling error due to unbearable anger ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    I just have one comment:

    Lin Dan swept over Lee Hyun Il 21-4 and could have won it in the second set. Yet, he missed those matchpoints. The same thing happened in the rubber-set, before all those controversies set in. If he won it at that time, we wouldn't have all this bouhaha.

    So, who was to be blamed, if not for Lin Dan himself He had the chances to seal up the match without any controversies and he failed to do that.

    Move on ppl......
    Another first time argument here for blaming player not finishing the match sooner as the cause of a major confrontation

    I did not have cable Astro to tell you about G2. But in G3, bad calls were coming well "before all those controversies set in" plus LM's constantly bothering LD while behind LD during the match, don't you think these factors contributed to LD not able to finish those match points

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    That incident happened in WC 2006 in Madrid. It was LCW vs China MS, I think it was BCL,definately not LD. LYB shouted "Break his legs" in Mandarin, it effected LCW psychologically, LCW lost the match. In that incident, LCW was critised by many (Msia govern, media, fans)as mentally weak.

    I think Sepang point is : The coach (LYB) made provacative remark, wasnt punished. So, should Li Mao be punished? Of course this incident is more dramatic.
    If you know any video about this LYB incident, please let me know and I can take a look at it and will let you know my comments. Since it was said in Chinese, translation into "Break his legs" is not something I can fully comprehend. Do you know the exact word used in Chinese? That may help. If LYB had done anything unprofessional or unethical in KO 08 or in the future, I would write in a same way about his bad behavior as I did here.

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    I agreed WBF should take responsibility & the root cause for this. What a POOOOOR management!!!!

    If Korea can do this dirty judgment to China, I can't imagine what will happen for the next China Open SS!!! Maybe Korea will not send their player to China & China won't play in Korea anymore in the future.

    If this not stop, each country will soon take revenge against each other. Corruption will set in.

    Player must given full authority to change lines man at his request.

    Hope someone from WBF will read this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takeshi View Post
    I agreed WBF should take responsibility & the root cause for this. What a POOOOOR management!!!!

    If Korea can do this dirty judgment to China, I can't imagine what will happen for the next China Open SS!!! Maybe Korea will not send their player to China & China won't play in Korea anymore in the future.

    If this not stop, each country will soon take revenge against each other. Corruption will set in.

    Player must given full authority to change lines man at his request.

    Hope someone from WBF will read this forum.
    Again, as pointed out earlier by vching, it's BWF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphonse View Post
    I was there at the Jang Chung Gymnasium during the Men's Singles finals between Lin Dan and Lee Hyun-il. I actually saw a female linesperson, on the side of Lee Hyun-il, clap her hand during an important point to Lee's favor. After she realized that she made a mistake of clapping, she immediately looked around to check if anybody saw her.

    Seeing this, I don't think the Korean linespeople at the 2008 Korea Open were neutral.
    She’s very patriotic, that’s all I can say. I hope she did not cloud her judgment of shuttlecock landing by her feeling. There are many causes for bad line calls: bad vision, bad training, bad angle, speed too fast to register, etc., not always intentional. But, biased linesmen are the worst of all to deal with. How can a host country root them out in the first place

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