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01-29-2008, 09:14 AM #137
01-29-2008, 09:25 AM #138
01-29-2008, 09:47 AM #139
01-29-2008, 09:50 AM #140
Apparently, I am not the only one who had that thought:
This one comes from chinabadminton.com at 22:16pm
"Ai....if only Lin Dan was as merciless as the first set...there will be nothing to argue for"
21：4 看李矛还有啥说头？ 裁判怎么去帮 李泫一 的忙？
战术的改变 技术的失常 酿成的后果就是苦的。
"At 21-4, see whether Li Mao has anything to say? How will the linejudge help Lee Hyun Il? The change in tactics and (drop in skill-level? better translation needed here) led to this bitter result!"
Read also ye333 comment's (on bc as well as on chinabadminton.com) on the chronology of events. Lin Dan threw the racket at Li Mao first, before Li Mao reacted back. And who wouldn't react if someone threw a racket at you
Tactics and psychological warfare are parts of sports. If you are football fan, then all these are common. Remember how Alex Ferguson winded up Kevin Keegan, such that that guy eventually crumbled under pressure? Manchester United won the League title that year, despite trailing 12 pts behind Newcastle.
Read also some of the Chinese's comments about Lin Dan in chinabadminton.com, including those who witnessed the actions live in Seoul. I can quote for you some sentences here:
"至于裁判，先说主裁吧，我认为还是公正的，起码比中国公开赛的主裁要公正的很多，好几次有争议的球都判给 了林丹，但是我并不是要说关键时候就一定要改判给李玄一，不是这样的。人不是神，谁会没有过错呢？裁判也会 出现过错啊。我们看看李玄一吧，当林丹觉得边裁误判的时候，向主裁申述时候的表情和态度，哪像一个高素质的 运动员呀？！看看李玄一，什么话都没有说，不会因为把球改判给林丹，而向主裁撒气。就算他撒气也行啊，毕竟 是人家的主场啊！边裁，确实是有不公正的地方，确实是的。但是边裁的判罚并没有严重的影响主裁啊！所以说裁 判的问题，比中国公开赛要做的好一些，我觉得！
As for the umpire, I would think that he/she's pretty fair, at least better than those at the China Open 2007. Many controversial calls were given to Lin Dan. But, I am not implying that the umpire had to give that last controversial call to Lee Hyun Il. Man is not God, so, anyone can made mistake. Let's look at Lee Hyun Il. When Lin Dan thought the call made by the linejudge was not right, look at his expression when he "complained" about that to the umpire. Does he look like a high-quality sportsman? Now, look at Lee Hyun Il, he's just quiet, and did not utter any single words. He didn't complain or made a fuss even when the umpire overruled the earlier calls to Lin Dan's favor. Even if he did make a fuss, he had the right to do it since this was his homeground anyway! As for the linejudge, indeed, she was biased. However, her calls DID NOT HAVE A SERIOUS IMPACT on the umpire. So, in my humble opinion, I would think that the umpire had done a better job than those umpires at the China Open 2007.
再说说李矛和林丹的争吵，我只想说“本是同根生，相煎何太急！”林丹太冲动，火气太爆，居然扔拍，我觉得目 标就是李矛，只不过扔错了方向罢了，呵呵~因此李矛说林丹没有素质也是应该的，我觉得。运动员最起码应该对 裁判，长者，前辈，双方的教练都应该尊重，你世界第一就了不起吗？要是没有前辈们为这些后辈铺路搭桥，哪有 林丹啊？李矛或多或少的都会影响着中国羽毛球队，即便他完全没有教过林丹。但是他是林丹的前辈，就应该尊重 。裁判是的判罚，就应该尊重！
Now....let's take about the argument about Lin Dan and Li Mao. I just want to say "we are all from the same root, so, why should we argue and made the situation turned into a bad one!" Lin Dan was too emotional and hot-tempered to the extent that he even threw that racket, and I think his target was indeed Li Mao, it's just that he threw it in a wrong direction...hehe... So, it was right for Li Mao to say that Lin Lan lacked class and quality as a person. As a sportsman, we should have the basic respect towards the umpire and those ppl who are older than us, coaches of both sides. So what if you are the World No 1? If there were no ex-players who build the foundation, there will not be any Lin Dan. Even though Li Mao had not taught Lin Dan before, he's older than Lin Dan! And Lin Dan should respect him! An Umpire is an Umpire, so, he should be respected as well!
As for "bad" line calls, most shuttlers would have expected that, especially if you are playing in Korea. You mention about the psychological effects on Lin Dan. What about Lee Hyun Il? What's his reaction when the umpire overrule those line-calls in favor of Lin Dan?
The line calls affected both players...period...but it appeared that you totally discounted the effect on Lee Hyun Il as well. He was under pressure as well, especially at 22-23. He could just have lost that match there....but...he was composed and eventually won the last 3 points of the match
Give that man a credit, instead of dwelling on and on about Li Mao's tactics and the controversial line calls.
I think this will be the last post I make on this issue. Its time to move on.
Last edited by badMania; 01-29-2008 at 10:04 AM.
01-29-2008, 09:52 AM #141
Our life is frittered away by detail... Simplify, simplify.
Just want to quote a well-known saying here in this thread... just to break up some of the arguments thus far.
"Our life is frittered away by detail... Simplify, simplify".
Henry David Thoreau, 1817-1862
American essayist, poet and mystic
01-29-2008, 09:54 AM #142
01-29-2008, 10:10 AM #143
If that's true, why we need to improve baddy line calling system, conduct of players and coaches, conduct of court personnels and umpire, reform baddy tournamnets,...etc. We can just all blame players and let linesmen decide who win or lose
01-29-2008, 10:20 AM #144
01-29-2008, 10:24 AM #145
01-29-2008, 10:26 AM #146
LOL.....things are going on round and round and round
Look's like we will never reach a conclusion
01-29-2008, 10:32 AM #147
Lin Dan won the point from Lee Hyun Il's serve (to make it 23-22), but, can he guarantee that he will make it 23-21 from his subsequent serve (if the linecall turned out to be overruled at 21-21 and his turn to serve at 22-21).
Two different scenarios....but...I guess ppl just won't understand what we meant anyway
01-29-2008, 10:46 AM #148
LOL, you were not in the receiving end when it was CO 2007 - when LCW was said to be mentally weak, how to be champion like that, etc,etc. When he complained abt it in the press, critised as whining, among other things.
No sympathy for LCW like what LD got in the press reports.
And fans who pity/supported him were said to blindly supporting, finding excuses - granted LCW, knee injury & all, could have lost without all the bad line calls but maybe in 3 tight sets. No slaps in the back for getting runner-up in spite of knee injury, but focus was on "how could he let himself get upset with the line calls".
Last edited by eaglehelang; 01-29-2008 at 10:50 AM.
01-29-2008, 10:48 AM #149
Is it some sort of,korea helping other countries n represents them for revenging n make china to pay back for what have happend last year?=P
01-29-2008, 10:59 AM #150
Just to show that how one post can have different impact on different ppl. "Ground-breaking" comments Never know that such a small comment from me can induce such a reaction
On the other hand, after re-reading the posts, I think I might have conveyed the wrong message:
Lin Dan swept over Lee Hyun Il 21-4 and could have won it in the second set. Yet, he missed those matchpoints. The same thing happened in the rubber-set, before all those controversies set in. If he won it at that time, we wouldn't have all this bouhaha.
So, who was to be blamed for his loss, if not for Lin Dan himself He had the chances to seal up the match without any controversies and he failed to do that.
(Note: I am not blaming the player's inability to win earlier as a cause for the eventual controversies happening latter, but, more for his eventual defeat I hope this will clear up the misunderstanding).
Move on ppl.....
Last edited by badMania; 01-29-2008 at 11:08 AM.
01-29-2008, 11:08 AM #151
I'm sure we can disagree on the outcome of MSF KO 08. We're all entitled to our opinions, that's what the forum is about
01-29-2008, 11:09 AM #152
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