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  • Park Joo Bong

    43 3.88%
  • Kim Dong Moon

    22 1.99%
  • Kim Moon Soo

    5 0.45%
  • Rexy Mainaky

    30 2.71%
  • Tony Gunawan

    172 15.54%
  • Hendra Setiawen

    126 11.38%
  • Cai Yun

    263 23.76%
  • Koo KK

    189 17.07%
  • Jens Eriksen

    19 1.72%
  • Sigit Budiarto

    59 5.33%
  • Lee Yong Dae

    170 15.36%
  • Christian Hadinata

    9 0.81%
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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    as for CY or TG perhaps, i think maybe because of their age factor, there will be no improvement anymore..
    as for KKK/, erm...have u heard before practice makes perfect?
    haha, have you read my posting on KKK? If not, it's up there..
    Will you say KKK is good... but the problem lies in his partner??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    Alright then. My humble question...
    Who is the best frontman in Men's doubles now?
    Yeah, that really cares. I see many people here live in the past.

    The best frontman is LYD and HS is following right behind him. Jus check the videos between their recent games of THIS year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    of course, we all have heard it before.
    matter of fact, that statement applies to ANY players
    why kkk's so special??

    If he isn't near perfect, why does he deserve to be in the poll's list and was voted as top 3 best frontman? This guy is still under repair...
    Top 3?? That's just because many Malaysians voted for him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post

    A bit of quick history:
    ...overall in Men's Doubles, Park Joo Bong, Kim Dong Moon and Tony G. are all on equal ground, in terms of winning the 3 "major" tourneys (AE, WC & Olympics)...Of the 3 players, PJB actually won more of those 3 "major" titles than both KDM and Tony combined. So, it's very debatable if one is to say Tony is "the greatest of all time" (besides, Tony never won those 3 "major" titles in XD)..
    *Tony was part of the Thomas Cup winning team & the World Badminton Grand Prix MD champions (2x) whilst the other 2 didn't..
    **PJB won the Asian Games MD title whilst the other 2 didn't..
    ***To sum it up, only PJB and KDM have won both events (MD & XD), in those 3 "major" tourneys, after the inclusion of the Olympics (in 1992)..
    Yeah, you know the history very well! To tell the truth in the perspective of performance, no one can catch up with PJB, who is on the Guinness World Record because of that. If Koreans participate in this thread, they can pronounce more about him. TG was just MD specialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    that is very logical and sensible if we r talking about presently, cooler has no prob. with that However, TG still can be the top one currently if he has the pocket rocket kido behind him
    Oh, sorry it's not likely if we relect his recent games. They have been losing most games when they come to the rubber set. (It became my routine that I cheked it.) Why? Just because they got older and losing their concentration power and speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..okay, for those confused or wondering about Park Joo Bong's game and Tony's game, here are video links of the 2 athletes..enjoy!

    ..Park Joo Bong (if not mistaken during his peak yrs @ the 1990 AE MD Final; btw, love those tight short shorts):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGffEyYTktw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPndA9i9p7I
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m6g-foekEA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtFM88igdbU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3irT7mrffU

    ...and Tony G. (during his peak yrs @ the 2000 Olympics MD Gold Match; the first video opens with a wild & breathtaking 1 minute rally..Great match & crowd support, btw!!):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNbG0xoYokc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-G9OPDsKH8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaEL2uN6T0k
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHlaP-Bb70
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDmwKhf3_jU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6lHGKohwE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGdDlvWVoo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY-9UsoCIxs
    thanks for the links.

    on the korea vs china, i see pjb playing regular MD rotation with his partner, nothing at all telling us pjb is a specialized frontman players.

    on the INA vs korea, it is so obvious that the preferred formation of the INA pair is Tony at the front and Candra at the back. This is sooooo obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..

    A bit of quick history:
    ...overall in Men's Doubles, Park Joo Bong, Kim Dong Moon and Tony G. are all on equal ground, in terms of winning the 3 "major" tourneys (AE, WC & Olympics)...Of the 3 players, PJB actually won more of those 3 "major" titles than both KDM and Tony combined. So, it's very debatable if one is to say Tony is "the greatest of all time" (besides, Tony never won those 3 "major" titles in XD)..
    *Tony was part of the Thomas Cup winning team & the World Badminton Grand Prix MD champions (2x) whilst the other 2 didn't..
    **PJB won the Asian Games MD title whilst the other 2 didn't..
    ***To sum it up, only PJB and KDM have won both events (MD & XD), in those 3 "major" tourneys, after the inclusion of the Olympics (in 1992)..
    it's quite hard to debate who is the greatest of all time (in doubles), that's why it is better to ask who is the best with a narrower definition. In this thread, it is about who's the best frontman. We could also ask who is the winningest player, best stroke, quickest, most flexible, best stamina, best power or having best mental focus because we all know no 1 player can possess the best of every feature. So far, nothing presented that indicate pjb is the best frontman. Using his statistic on number of titles won, partners success, event played are all side points. No one yet show me the meat (as coined by lazybuddy) that say pjb is the best frontman.

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    Default ^^Don't look at me..^^

    ..(are you baiting me to come to TG's defense as being the "best frontman" in MD??)..
    As to the argument of PJB or TG being the "best frontman" in MD, I'm just providing some facts & being your assistant in searching for those videos, cooler (i thought it's your task to search for those videos and put them in the "Suggested Videos" thread??)..

    Anyway, we've gotta ask the thread starter on what criteria(s) makes the "frontman". And yes, it's quite difficult to "judge" this category. Do we label the "best frontman" as one who plays the majority of the time at the front/fore court??
    I think how many titles or the number of wins are pretty good indication of how successful a doubles player is. Unfortunately, I certainly wasn't following PJB's and/or KDM's era, thus i have to rely on our more veteran BCers who've followed & witnessed their careers.
    Last edited by ctjcad; 10-28-2008 at 06:56 PM.

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    Just drop by a library and look up the Guinness Book, then you're gonna know who's on there and why. PJB the Best. He coached ENG, MAS, and now JPN. What about TG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia View Post
    Just drop by a library and look up the Guinness Book, then you're gonna know who's on there and why. PJB the Best. He coached ENG, MAS, and now JPN. What about TG?
    best of what?
    best coach?? then i suggest BAM steal pjb from japan LOL

    TG? he's so good that he's still playing and competiing.
    he's so good that INA regrets not having him, and wanted TG back.
    Does korea want pjb back?
    Last edited by cooler; 10-28-2008 at 07:17 PM.

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    Hey, guy just read the book and know what you unknow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..(are you baiting me to come to TG's defense as being the "best frontman" in MD??)..
    As to the argument of PJB or TG being the "best frontman" in MD, I'm just providing some facts & being your assistant in searching for those videos, cooler (i thought it's your task to search for those videos and put them in the "Suggested Videos" thread??)..

    Anyway, we've gotta ask the thread starter on what criteria(s) makes the "frontman". And yes, it's quite difficult to "judge" this category. Do we label the "best frontman" as one who plays the majority of the time at the front/fore court??
    I think how many titles or the number of wins are pretty good indication of how successful a doubles player is. Unfortunately, I certainly wasn't following PJB's and/or KDM's era, thus i have to rely on our more veteran BCers who've followed & witnessed their careers.
    no no i was only expanding on your post, not to bait u. Those are good videos that reinforces my points

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    best of what?
    best coach?? then i suggest BAM steal pjb from japan LOL

    TG? he's so good that he's still playing and competiing.
    he's so good that INA regrets not having him, and wanted TG back.
    Does korea want pjb back?
    TG is 33, PJB is 44, of course TG is still playing.
    btw, could you refer me to an article that says INA regrets not having him and wanted him back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmilan View Post
    TG is 33, PJB is 44, of course TG is still playing.
    btw, could you refer me to an article that says INA regrets not having him and wanted him back?
    i made that remark after someone made this

    "PJB the Best. He coached ENG, MAS, and now JPN. What about TG?"

    so the best coach are 40's years old ex-player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmilan View Post
    TG is 33, PJB is 44, of course TG is still playing.
    ermm, PJB retired in 1996 when he just turn 32. How come no of course for PJB??


    He coached for MAL for 3 years
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...08&postcount=5

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    best of what?
    best coach?? then i suggest BAM steal pjb from japan LOL
    what?? steal??
    u must be kidding me ,cooler.
    BAM no need to steal la, we already got rexy mainaky and maybe CTF or LWW next,,.
    no more space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    ermm, PJB retired in 1996 when he just turn 32. How come no of course for PJB??


    He coached for MAL for 3 years
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...08&postcount=5

    Oh, you mention TG is still playing now, I thought you asked why PJB is not playing now (which is obviously due to his age).
    btw, when did PBSI asked TG to come back? never heard of this.

    http://www.badders.com/news/item/716...etirement.html
    If we could make a movie on him, definitely would entice more ppl to badminton ya, especially those Americans. The training he endured when he was a child is definitely the Rocky (you know, the movie) style.

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