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  • Park Joo Bong

    42 3.86%
  • Kim Dong Moon

    22 2.02%
  • Kim Moon Soo

    5 0.46%
  • Rexy Mainaky

    30 2.75%
  • Tony Gunawan

    171 15.70%
  • Hendra Setiawen

    126 11.57%
  • Cai Yun

    251 23.05%
  • Koo KK

    188 17.26%
  • Jens Eriksen

    19 1.74%
  • Sigit Budiarto

    59 5.42%
  • Lee Yong Dae

    167 15.34%
  • Christian Hadinata

    9 0.83%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wong8Egg View Post
    How can you be the best if you have no great achievement to back you up?
    Define the word "best" otherwise???
    Someone can be good at the net but bad at another part of the game, and thus be "unsuccessful"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense View Post
    Someone can be good at the net but bad at another part of the game, and thus be "unsuccessful"...
    I kinda feel bad for KKK in this case, cause he must be really really bad in the other departments to be the best net player yet "unsuccessful".

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    I never mentioned Koo Kien Keat. I was just pointing out the flaw in your logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense View Post
    Someone can be good at the net but bad at another part of the game, and thus be "unsuccessful"...
    that would be me ! i have done things to mavis 300 at the net that i haven't seen anyone done them before. Too many to mention lah.....

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    Hendra Setiawan, and Tony Gunawan before him, bases his net game on timely interceptions and anticipations. Which is why Hendra is probably the most effective at the net in the modern game (French SS Final is one demonstration of his effectiveness).

    Having said that, unlike Tony Gunawan, Hendra is still very much a one partner player and not quite as adaptable with other players other than Markis Kido.

    Koo Kien Kiat, on the other hand, does more outrageous shots and unexpected replies, mainly to get his team out of trouble. On this, he is generally successful but sometimes he does it too far even when not under pressure, and this has cost him some victories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abedeng View Post
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    Having said that, unlike Tony Gunawan, Hendra is still very much a one partner player and not quite as adaptable with other players other than Markis Kido.
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    ..i don't know the detailed history of Hendra's playing partners, but i take it he hasn't played much w/any other players other than Markis?!?!
    Also, i feel INA's current MD players are average, at best, unlike during Tony G.'s time where there can be up to 3-4 very good pairs (Rexy & Ricky, Halim & Sigit, Candra & Tony, Eng Hian & Flandy L.). In fact, they're so good, they're all pretty much interchangeable, yet, still able to bring home the titles.
    Last edited by ctjcad; 11-05-2009 at 01:22 PM.

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    Hendra is the best player in the net, and thats coming from a Cai/Fu fan !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..i don't know the detailed history of Hendra's playing partners, but i take it he hasn't played much w/any other players other than Markis?!?!
    Also, i feel INA's current MD players are average, at best, unlike during Tony G.'s time where there can be up to 3-4 very good pairs (Rexy & Ricky, Halim & Sigit, Candra & Tony, Eng Hian & Flandy L.). In fact, they're so good, they're all pretty much interchangeable, yet, still able to bring home the titles.
    ya
    those day is so great when they can pairing each other and yet able to beat 90% of their opponent

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    ya
    those day is so great when they can pairing each other and yet able to beat 90% of their opponent
    ina is pioneer in modern day doubles game... those days they were way ahead of other nation in terms of men doubles...

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    They are still ahead... I would say MK/HS and LD are the leaders of current MD, MS, with futuristic, superman-like, styles.

    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    ina is pioneer in modern day doubles game... those days they were way ahead of other nation in terms of men doubles...
    Last edited by ye333; 11-06-2009 at 03:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..i don't know the detailed history of Hendra's playing partners, but i take it he hasn't played much w/any other players other than Markis?!?!
    Also, i feel INA's current MD players are average, at best, unlike during Tony G.'s time where there can be up to 3-4 very good pairs (Rexy & Ricky, Halim & Sigit, Candra & Tony, Eng Hian & Flandy L.). In fact, they're so good, they're all pretty much interchangeable, yet, still able to bring home the titles.
    I'll definitely have to start watching Hendra more...

    The case about Tony is how he partnered Howard Bach to still clinch WC2005. If you compare Howard with Chandra, they both throw very impressive bombs but Howard is a pretty straight forward player whereas Chandra has quite a bit of variation. Comparatively, Howard is a lot less effective at the net than Chandra. This demonstrates that Tony is indeed a very versatile player.

    That said, his best performance does come from having a wingman like Chandra. This is evident even when he partners Chandra although both men are past their prime. To be fair, Howard's game has improved a lot -- at least he's a lot more effective at the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeyeh View Post
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    The case about Tony is how he partnered Howard Bach to still clinch WC2005.
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    ..one contentious WC MD match in history (that left one thread locked).
    Too bad we couldn't watch more of Tony & Howard after that WC victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..one contentious WC MD match in history (that left one thread locked).
    Too bad we couldn't watch more of Tony & Howard after that WC victory.
    Tony/Howard have been steadily climbing up the WR table again right now.

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    Default ^^Yes they have..^^

    ..but so are other pairs..We just haven't seen more of T & H competing and won another title after that 2005 WC victory..

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    I doubt they can reach top 3... Top 10 should be achievable though.

    In fact, except for 2004-05, Tony/Howard is never a top pair...

    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Tony/Howard have been steadily climbing up the WR table again right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wong8Egg View Post
    How can you be the best if you have no great achievement to back you up?
    Define the word "best" otherwise???


    Park Joo Bong is considered legend in badminton, where is he in this poll?
    do not take it too seriously..dude...
    KKK got more votes than most coz there are many syiok sendiri Bolehians here
    simple as that...if you want your fav player to take over KKK
    just get more of your pals to vote...easy as that...

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    Just watched Kido/setiawan vs KKK/TBH in the French open 2009.....HS is probably the best right now I think. Completely demolishing KKK at the net in the last game.

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