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  • Park Joo Bong

    43 3.85%
  • Kim Dong Moon

    22 1.97%
  • Kim Moon Soo

    5 0.45%
  • Rexy Mainaky

    30 2.69%
  • Tony Gunawan

    172 15.41%
  • Hendra Setiawen

    127 11.38%
  • Cai Yun

    264 23.66%
  • Koo KK

    192 17.20%
  • Jens Eriksen

    19 1.70%
  • Sigit Budiarto

    59 5.29%
  • Lee Yong Dae

    174 15.59%
  • Christian Hadinata

    9 0.81%
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    Example from a dutch one:

    In each age category, entries will be accepted according to the following order:
    a. Priority rule for groups: members of national teams
    members of district teams
    members of regional teams
    individual entries;
    b. Groups can be pre-registered till 10 November 2010 by reporting the number of players (m/f) per age category. Groups registered before 10 November 2010 will be given priority to groups registered after 10 November 2010;
    c. The first 8 boys and 8 girls of a group are assured of competing in the tournament. If more than 8 boys and girls are registered, the additional players can only take part in the order of acceptance of article 16.a if there are spare places;


    On topic : wasn't Ricky Subagja the frontcourt guy?

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    I am a bit surprised at so many people voting for Koo Kien Keat, actually. He is definitely exciting to watch, quick with his reflexes, aggressive both on attack and defense, and he definitely has the skills, but I really feel that he lacks consistency at times. Furthermore, he also sometimes has a bad habit of trying to force net battles when he isn't making them...I think he has lots of potential and will maybe become one of the best, but I think he's not the best yet.

    Tony Gunawan and Cai Yun have both been amazing to watch...out of the front players I've seen extensively, I would vote for these two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    On topic : wasn't Ricky Subagja the frontcourt guy?
    I just watched their matches again last nite on DVD, its abit hard to see clearly whether its Ricky or Rexy is the front court man, as they are quite balance in both dept. But yeah, i can see that Ricky actually has the more modern play style that we see front court men today. Lots of cutting/intercepts and cross court drops, whereas Rexy played more direct when he was on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiroisuke View Post
    I am a bit surprised at so many people voting for Koo Kien Keat, actually. He is definitely exciting to watch, quick with his reflexes, aggressive both on attack and defense, and he definitely has the skills, but I really feel that he lacks consistency at times. Furthermore, he also sometimes has a bad habit of trying to force net battles when he isn't making them...I think he has lots of potential and will maybe become one of the best, but I think he's not the best yet.

    Tony Gunawan and Cai Yun have both been amazing to watch...out of the front players I've seen extensively, I would vote for these two.
    Maybe because there are so many Malaysian fans here

    BTW how about Hendra Setiawan, what do you think? To me at least he's better than LYD and KKK, and at least on par with TG and CY.
    Last edited by Yoppy; 05-16-2011 at 08:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Maybe because there are so many Malaysian fans here

    BTW how about Hendra Setiawan, what do you think? To me at least he's better than LYD and KKK, and at least on par with TG and CY.
    I think he is not better at Cai Yun - the really outstanding skill is his ability to intercept. As a whole, I think CY is better due to his pure speed and aggression. LYD, if he is not yet better, will definitely become better than HS. He is more athletic, more aggressive, and better at the back. His ability to read the game is already on par with HS - in my eyes, he's surpassed him already. Only weakness seems to be the inability to win a big title in MD (one of the big 3).
    It's always surprising to me how far HS went with a partner like MK Proves that net play is the vital part in doubles...

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    setiawan is very very good at deception ...IMO he is my FAV as frontman ! cai yun is ok ...i felt that he is very boring at the net ...just reacting to his opponent's shots but he is good thou ...

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    They are all different (the ones still playing and dominating the net). Setiawan is the best reader of the game atm, no question imo, he just has really bad luck with his partner and still Olympic champion, amazing. Cai Yun fastest at the net of them all. KKK most creative one (if he's on) he sees gaps that aren't there simply unbelievable (let's forget about what when he's not on...). Lee Yong Dae has most of this aspects, more all-around I guess. But which one is the best? When at his top form I'd still say KKK and I'm no Malaysian Also which ones should be taken in consideration are their partners I think. For example JJS will (almost) never let LYD down, which means LYD will always be free/able to play his game at the front court. But FHF/TBH/MK are not always that consistent imo. TBH too dependant of KKK, FHF has gotten better but still has some matches where he completeley loses it.

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    KKK has not been in top form since the 2010 WC. Since then, his form has dropped and they lost their attacking style somehow....either they can't be bothered (which would be incredibly stupid&lazy) or they can not sustain the high pace like they used to. I don't think TBH is very dependant on him, he played with Hoon Tien How(?) in the Thomas Cup (I think) and played pretty well, winning at least one match against a top pair. Recently, KKK has been the weakness as he plays too many overconfident or defensive shot.

    For me, LYD and CY are pretty much at the same level right now. On the really big occasion (WC, OG), there are very few pairs who stand a chance against the Chinese, as they're always in top shape for those events, and usually CY is just a tiny bit better at the net in those matches than LYD, winning the attack more often for FHF, who also has a better smash than JJS. Other than the Koreans, only the Danes are dangerous - Boe is also once of the best net players out there, and even if he has severe weaknesses when compared to the others, his serve-return game is superb, winning the attack very often. He is not as quick and CY/LYD, and has a much weaker defense, but at the net, he's on the same level, I think. Although I really hate his on-court attitude and delay tactics -.-"

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    KKK was in topform at the All England, they just messed up in the very end, the semi-final was unbelievable, I was there. With dependant I mean, when KKK is off, the whole act just falls apart. LYD/CY are most of the time on the same level. The difference there is that FHF is just not able to be at his top the whole time. However this means that when he is (as shown in the last WC) they will win over JJS/LYD (unfortunateley ) As for the Danes I agree with you, Boe and Mogensen are a very good couple. Boe is very good at the front of the court and Mogensen has to be one of the besst allcourt doubles players there is. Their angles/slow down game works very well against the fast asian pairs.

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    Well, that is true for almost any other pair as well - when they cannot win the attack, they cannot score. And in most doubles pairs, the 'back-court' player is significantly weaker at reading the game and winning the attack/intercepting in the serve-return situation. That's one of the strong points of the Danes, btw - Mogensen is very good at the net as well, and often able to keep up with the other net players. When Boe doesn't get impatient and plays a poor shot, they're almost always able to switch at one point and get back into their favored formation. Most other pairs aren't as good as them in their weaker formation (although LYD/JJS are almost as good - JJS is just a slight bit weaker than Mogensen at the front imop).

    For almost all other pairs, a bad day of the net player equals a loss against similarly strong opponents as they will not be able to win the attack often enough. Tan's big problem is that on a weak day, Koo also gets too defensive and gifts the offensive away when he could have played a drop shot or didn't move fast enough. While everyone is dependant on their partner, Tan just has the bad luck that his doesn't try to fight and play safe shots when he feels off, but tries even more fancy shots and plays very defensively.

    PS: Although you're right, the AE was really good. I just remember the German Open SF where they lost against JJS/LYD in straight games and didn't even fight back in the second.....pretty disappointing, especially when on the other court 4 Koreans play the highest pace of the tournament (even if a change of pace would've been more effective sometimes^^).

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    To me, HS simply better than CY & LYD, when it comes to cross court smashes.. He has done several good cross court smashes on several occasions too..

    For speed, although CY is the eldest among them, but he is the fastest, perhaps, LYD pace is on par with CY but, LYD is quite young, a lot younger than CY..

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    True, he is just amazing at intercepting drives, but in other aspects the others are better imop (like movement around the net, and as a result, the response to net shots - and blocking low-paced drives/pushes to the net and following in)

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    He is amazing all court as well. Not as fast, but he is fast enough. Just check his results, Kido isn't really all that good so imagine how good he is. HS+CM would be a nice combination hehehe.

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    Lethal! Especially with CM used to a slower and defensively weaker partner....
    He'd probably also mix well with JJS, as he is another player very very fast around the back court and not as smash-happy as MK, FHF, TBH and better at keeping the attack until there's an opportunity...or perhaps even LYD? Even though they'd have no huge smash, they'd just dominate the front...and both are really good in XD, so they're not exactly useless from the back

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    Yeah there are lots of fun combinations to make

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    Actually MK/HS combination is quite good, but somehow their performances are not up to the knot yet... HS movement has became slower due to his injury, & he is a married man now...

    MK smashes quality from the back are not that bad, but he is INCONSISTENT & make unforced error too many.....Once opponent can defend well his smashes, he will make an error after the third returns by his opponent.

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    MK is really off form. No consistency, no real danger from the back, too laid-back and rested at the net (look where he holds his racket!!!)....and HS is not getting younger^^

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