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    Default One Legend Fades. New Legends Arise.

    I saw this poster in Li-Ning Singapore Facebook page, wonder what do you think about Li-Ning's message?

    https://www.facebook.com/LiNingSG/ph...type=1&theater


    The war is on and I would like to read the above title as:

    Old Legend Fades vs New Legends Arise

    Yonex vs Li-Ning

    Lin Dan vs Chen Long

    Lee Chong Wei vs Srikanth Kidambi




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    And perhaps the fact that Lin Dan switched to Yonex.

    Imho, this poster looks a bit corny and over the top. It's more suitable for a freefight match instead for badminton. It takes some time to have new legends. The current crop is nowhere in the same league as the 'big four' (Hidayat, Gade, LD, LCW).

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    When I sent this poster to my badminton group, some laughed at it for sounding really corny. OK, CL can be considered a legend.... but Srikanth? Come on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroSOFInfinity View Post
    When I sent this poster to my badminton group, some laughed at it for sounding really corny. OK, CL can be considered a legend.... but Srikanth? Come on....
    Indeed, CL is a champion but currently I don't see him in legend status, he need to win more trophies from Olympics, Thomas Cup and Super Series plus he need to be unbeatable and stay longer as world no.1.

    As for Srikanth, maybe he can be the legend in India provided he can sustain his top 5 world ranking and he need to win more trophies as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espírito Santo View Post
    Indeed, CL is a champion but currently I don't see him in legend status, he need to win more trophies from Olympics, Thomas Cup and Super Series plus he need to be unbeatable and stay longer as world no.1.

    As for Srikanth, maybe he can be the legend in India provided he can sustain his top 5 world ranking and he need to win more trophies as well.
    Even I wonder why lining did this. May be they are utilising these 2 players for their own benefits. Lol. But if you consider, both of them are not considered as legends. They could have said as 'Rising Star' for srikanth instead of 'Rising legend' and also, I dont think chen long is a legend. Legend can be given only to LCW, LINDAN, TAUFIK , PETERGADE.

    I want to say to LINING one thing. Dont market players in this way. To certain extent we can accept that they are doing this for their marketing. But is it good ?. Let them play . I am talking about only srikanth here. I dont want him to get distracted by these kind of gimmicks and flattering words. Work hard continuously. Rewards will follow .

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    Chen Long is a legend.

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    To give some controversal input: the fact that you guys only list LCW,PG,TH and LD as legends support Li Ning's old vs. new Legends slogan. If you ask some older Badminton fans who they consider as Badminton Legends, they will say Zhao Jianhua, Morton Frost or Yang Yang. In 10 or 20 Years, people probably will remember CL or Srikanth as Legends, who knows. Of course, both don't have legend status yet, but they are already stars and will go their way.

    In my opinion, the only active player who will be considered as one of the all time legends, no matter how far in the future, is Lin Dan, because he is sort of the ultimate and most complete badminton player and his domination, even over LCW is just too overwhelming.

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    Chen Long is definitely a legend.

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    Chen Long has had only some time to establish himself, and in that period, he has done so nicely. Srikanth has been such a recent addition to the top 10, so only time will tell if he will become a legend. It is significant, however, that Li-Ning has supported two elite players, one of which is not from China (not yet counting PV Sindhu, who is not yet elite, in my book).

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceananas View Post
    To give some controversal input: the fact that you guys only list LCW,PG,TH and LD as legends support Li Ning's old vs. new Legends slogan. If you ask some older Badminton fans who they consider as Badminton Legends, they will say Zhao Jianhua, Morton Frost or Yang Yang. In 10 or 20 Years, people probably will remember CL or Srikanth as Legends, who knows. Of course, both don't have legend status yet, but they are already stars and will go their way.

    In my opinion, the only active player who will be considered as one of the all time legends, no matter how far in the future, is Lin Dan, because he is sort of the ultimate and most complete badminton player and his domination, even over LCW is just too overwhelming.

    Yes, in long run Chen Long will be a legend and everyone will remember his name even after 20 yrs he had retired from badminton arena but definitely not for now as he need more glory and trophies to achieve that status.

    As for Srikanth, I have no confidence he will be a legend, his name will go down as same like other Indian badminton ex-superstars like Prakash Padukone, P.Gopichand and A.Popat. They are famous in the past and people are still talking about them in India but not for worldwide badminton community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Espírito Santo View Post
    Yes, in long run Chen Long WILL BE A LEGEND and everyone will remember his name even after 20 yrs he had retired from badminton arena but definitely not for now as he need more glory and trophies to achieve that status.

    As for Srikanth," I have no confidence he will be a legend, his name will go down"
    as same like other Indian badminton ex-superstars like Prakash Padukone, P.Gopichand and A.Popat. They are famous in the past and people are still talking about them in India but not for worldwide badminton community.
    No. I clearly object this opinion. Though I dont know anything about gopichand (I can only say about today's players), prakash padukone and aparna etc, I can only say that these players does not have infrastructure facilities as if the current crop of players are getting. Srikanth is just 21. How can you say that he will go down?. Let him enjoy his game for 2 more years then we can judge his future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Even I wonder why lining did this. May be they are utilising these 2 players for their own benefits. Lol. But if you consider, both of them are not considered as legends. They could have said as 'Rising Star' for srikanth instead of 'Rising legend' and also, I dont think chen long is a legend. Legend can be given only to LCW, LINDAN, TAUFIK , PETERGADE.
    I thought you already described srikanth as a legend already after he beat lin dan in china open 2014 ???


    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Though many players had beaten lindan before, only few had beaten him for title. That too china open... That's why we are talking about him here and his name got registered in the history.


    Whether he beats chen long today or not, his name will be in the history forever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    this sentence has no logic at all


    first :
    China open is not major title, it is only SS Premier...the same status with AE, Malaysia and others...but surely, one level lower than OLY and World Champ




    second :
    what can we expect from the old guard like Lin Dan whom is injury / recovering from injury. even if someone beat LD whom is still young and free of injury like Peter Gade back to China Masters 2006, it is still debatable




    third :
    there are so many memorable achivement which is far greater than what KS do in China 2014. one of them is :




    Ji Xinpeng won Olympics Gold by defeating world #1, 2 and 3 from QF to Final : Taufik Hidayat, Peter Gade and Hendrawan..all of them are skillful players, and they still young except Hendrawan.


    remember, Olympics Gold, not only China SSP




    the question is : right now, how many of you can remember this historic wins ???




    25 years later from now, how many of you still remember of JXP sensational win ?


    compare it with Srikanth who is only winning china open against the old player and still injury / recovering from injury lol

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...er-2014)/page9



    so which one is true, srikanth is a legend or not ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    and also, I dont think chen long is a legend. Legend can be given only to LCW, LINDAN, TAUFIK , PETERGADE.
    we should have the standard to determine which one is legend, and which one is not a legend.

    from the 5 names above, it is safe to say that LD is a legend.
    but we cannot say like that to LCW, TH and Gade if someone doesn't agree that CL is a legend



    Lin Dan :
    - won all major titles ; OLY, WC, TC and SC (18 or 19 in total)
    - plus the other 31 - 32 titles to make it total 50 titles
    - world #1 for more than 150 weeks
    - positive H2H to all 4 players in this list
    - 10 or more world records


    TH : won 4 or 5 major titles, with only 30 titles in total, and world #1 for 1 or 2 weeks only for the entire career, negative H2H to all 4 players except Gade cmiiw


    LCW :50 titles in total without a single major title in his collection, but stay longer than LD as world #1


    PGC : perhaps 30 titles in total without major title also, and world #1 for 6 until 12 months in total


    CL : major title yes, world #1 also for 5 - 6 weeks, and 20 titles in total





    CL is closer to TH in term of total titles, but surely superior than Gade and LCW whom never won major title before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    I thought you already described srikanth as a legend already after he beat lin dan in china open 2014 ???
    I appreciate your work.. but gone waste... I never ever used that word 'legend' anywhere.. Only the li ning company have been using that for their marketing benefits .. They are trying to use these players name in order for their sales. Lol.. First you need to ask that chinese company and later you can point out some irrevelant remarks.. lol. Good joke.


    He is a rising star as I pointed out earlier.

    Chen Long is a legend?.. Cant even imagine.. Hmmm... carry on guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    I appreciate your work.. but gone waste... I never ever used that word 'legend' anywhere..
    never tell other about this if you are not smart enough lol
    since when my comment is useless ?



    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Though many players had beaten lindan before, only few had beaten him for title. That too china open... That's why we are talking about him here and his name got registered in the history.

    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Whether he beats chen long today or not, his name will be in the history forever.

    history only recorded a legend's fantastic carrer, and not for only a rising star
    do u agree with this statement ?

    if u don't agree, can you name me one name of the rising star that has his name got registered in the history ?
    can you ?


    if you can't, then you must delete your post about :
    srikanth's name in the history forever...because as I say, history only for a legend, and not for a rising star



    at 21, LD was the world #1 for 10 months, 9 GP titles which is similar to SS / SSP titles now, and also major title Thomas Cup 2004...when he won all 5 matches in straight sets including against host INA MS1 Sony Dwi Kuncoro


    at 21 or 22, Gade and TH already claimed world #1 for a while, and won 5 - 6 titles.
    also, Gade at that age, he become 1998 IBF world player of the year

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file.aspx?id=489528&dl=1


    what about srikanth ?



    one thing for sure, history only remember a legend Lin Dan and not a rising star Lin Dan lol


    even history will forget a rising star Lin Dan who is far more superior than the Indian, so how come they will remember a rising star KS ?







    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Only the li ning company have been using that for their marketing benefits .. They are trying to use these players name in order for their sales. Lol.. First you need to ask that chinese company and later you can point out some irrevelant remarks.. lol. Good joke.
    Li Ning is right.

    Chen Long is a legend (if you consider TH, Gade and LCW as a legend) of the world...including China for sure

    Srikanth is a legend, but only in India. period. case closed.




    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    He is a rising star as I pointed out earlier.

    Chen Long is a legend?.. Cant even imagine.. Hmmm... carry on guys...

    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Legend can be given only to LCW, LINDAN, TAUFIK , PETERGADE.

    if CL is a legend, how come taufik become a legend ?
    how come gade and lcw become a legend ?


    TH : about 15 years in the circuit at senior level, but only can win 25 titles (excl. SEA Games)...now CL already won 19 titles

    TH only can be world #1 for 1 or 2 weeks, CL more than that, even until March at least.


    CL also has positive H2H against Taufik. what else to say ?


    LCW and Gade : 12 - 20 years in the circuit, but never won a major title before where CL already won 1 major title.


    what else you can say ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    if CL is a legend, how come taufik become a legend ?
    how come gade and lcw become a legend ?


    TH : about 15 years in the circuit at senior level, but only can win 25 titles (excl. SEA Games)...now CL already won 19 titles

    TH only can be world #1 for 1 or 2 weeks, CL more than that, even until March at least.


    CL also has positive H2H against Taufik. what else to say ?


    LCW and Gade : 12 - 20 years in the circuit, but never won a major title before where CL already won 1 major title.


    what else you can say ?

    edit : if CL is NOT a legend...




    H2H :

    CL vs LCW : 9 - 9 (10 - 9 for CL if we count Asian Games which is not BWF official tournament)

    CL vs TH : 4 - 2

    CL vs Gade : 4 - 2



    by counting :
    # of major titles
    # of total titles
    world #1
    H2H
    # of world records


    CL, TH, Gade and LCW has plus minus than the others...which the result is almost similar...

    so if you say CL is not a legend...
    then you must write off gade, chong wei and taufik from the legend's list as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortune View Post
    never tell other about this if you are not smart enough lol
    since when my comment is useless ?









    history only recorded a legend's fantastic carrer, and not for only a rising star
    do u agree with this statement ?

    if u don't agree, can you name me one name of the rising star that has his name got registered in the history ?
    can you ?


    if you can't, then you must delete your post about :
    srikanth's name in the history forever...because as I say, history only for a legend, and not for a rising star



    at 21, LD was the world #1 for 10 months, 9 GP titles which is similar to SS / SSP titles now, and also major title Thomas Cup 2004...when he won all 5 matches in straight sets including against host INA MS1 Sony Dwi Kuncoro


    at 21 or 22, Gade and TH already claimed world #1 for a while, and won 5 - 6 titles.
    also, Gade at that age, he become 1998 IBF world player of the year

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file.aspx?id=489528&dl=1


    what about srikanth ?



    one thing for sure, history only remember a legend Lin Dan and not a rising star Lin Dan lol


    even history will forget a rising star Lin Dan who is far more superior than the Indian, so how come they will remember a rising star KS ?









    Li Ning is right.

    Chen Long is a legend (if you consider TH, Gade and LCW as a legend) of the world...including China for sure

    Srikanth is a legend, but only in India. period. case closed.









    if CL is a legend, how come taufik become a legend ?
    how come gade and lcw become a legend ?


    TH : about 15 years in the circuit at senior level, but only can win 25 titles (excl. SEA Games)...now CL already won 19 titles

    TH only can be world #1 for 1 or 2 weeks, CL more than that, even until March at least.


    CL also has positive H2H against Taufik. what else to say ?


    LCW and Gade : 12 - 20 years in the circuit, but never won a major title before where CL already won 1 major title.


    what else you can say ?
    Lol.. li ning is absolutely wrong.. both chen long and srikanth are not legends.. period.. if srikanth is a legend in india alone, why should li ning using his picture in singapore badminton facebook page.. lol.. Ha ha.. What is your comment on this?.. .. And chen long winning just one major title and world no. 1 for 4 to 5 weeks becoming a legend? Bravo.. keep it with you... Ba bye.........
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