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  • Park Joo Bong

    43 3.89%
  • Kim Dong Moon

    22 1.99%
  • Kim Moon Soo

    5 0.45%
  • Rexy Mainaky

    30 2.71%
  • Tony Gunawan

    172 15.55%
  • Hendra Setiawen

    126 11.39%
  • Cai Yun

    262 23.69%
  • Koo KK

    189 17.09%
  • Jens Eriksen

    19 1.72%
  • Sigit Budiarto

    59 5.33%
  • Lee Yong Dae

    170 15.37%
  • Christian Hadinata

    9 0.81%
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMichael View Post
    that is kim dong moon and ha tae kwon. who is tkh???
    and fyi, nobody mentioned halim hariyanto... he did one very good shot in that particular match, which is the 2001 world championships finals.
    the polls is not a good bench mark.
    i got ha tae confused with tae ha.
    i assumed that everyone watching the video knows tony's partner was halim.
    IMO, the poll is pretty accurate, that's why i said the poll wasnt necessary
    Halim is a great smasher but this thread is about best frontman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMichael View Post
    that is kim dong moon and ha tae kwon. who is tkh???
    Tan Kim Her?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMichael View Post
    and fyi, nobody mentioned halim hariyanto... he did one very good shot in that particular match, which is the 2001 world championships finals.
    the polls is not a good bench mark.
    Halim is no way near as good as Tony in front - he's pretty lethal from the back though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    Tan Kim Her?
    No, it's Tae Ha Him

    My tkh was thot to meant tae kwan ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonnymak View Post

    I wonder why also korea's Ha, Kim DM, older Lee and Yu are not in the polls, between them they won many WCs,All Engs, and Ogs for all time front men.
    Exactly, I see so many people wanted to vote for KDM but he is not on the list.

    And guess what, he is 2 times OG champs!!!

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    KDM! KDM! KDM! no seriously i think he is the best netman ever. he's pretty vicious from the back of the court too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wong8Egg View Post
    Exactly, I see so many people wanted to vote for KDM but he is not on the list.

    And guess what, he is 2 times OG champs!!!
    title wise, i think TG has won more tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    title wise, i think TG has won more tournaments.
    Perhaps, but surely more than many of the other candidates in the poll.

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    Cai Yun and KKK over KDM? Guess everybody forgets about you when you're out of the limelight. Only time will tell who's the best.

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    although i dont really familiar with Kim Dong Moon.but based on thoughts here,i think he got something special then.

    Any proves that he is really good netman or frontman?
    Graphically perhaps?

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    I can bet that if you put kim dong moon vs park joo bong at the net, park joo bong will win it outright.
    but it will be a good fight with Tony.

    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    although i dont really familiar with Kim Dong Moon.but based on thoughts here,i think he got something special then.

    Any proves that he is really good netman or frontman?
    Graphically perhaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    although i dont really familiar with Kim Dong Moon.but based on thoughts here,i think he got something special then.

    Any proves that he is really good netman or frontman?
    Graphically perhaps?
    the AE 2000 MD final is a pretty good example. i don't know where you could find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonMichael View Post
    I can bet that if you put kim dong moon vs park joo bong at the net, park joo bong will win it outright.
    but it will be a good fight with Tony.
    As u say it will be a good fight (Tony vs Park). Park will still win, though ......

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    Not really though, does it? Tony has a lot more creativity and flair whilst KDM is more tactically adept. Both would probably tie it, depending on who the partners are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    Not really though, does it? Tony has a lot more creativity and flair whilst KDM is more tactically adept. Both would probably tie it, depending on who the partners are.
    in this instance, i see the same way.
    MD korean players are like robots, they have excellent strokes but somewhat predictable shots(IMO). Tony (and other INA players) have more variety and creativity of shots. In Tony's case, he has both quality of shots and creativity of shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    MD korean players are like robots, they have excellent strokes but somewhat predictable shots(IMO). Tony (and other INA players) have more variety and creativity of shots. In Tony's case, he has both quality of shots and creativity of shots.
    Not Park Joo Bong, though. He had creativity and flair. Came through at at 17 when Korea was not yet a force in badminton.

    Though I agree that from KDM onwards, the players are more like robots. Probably the Korean training regime is based more on sports science, where to hit, how much pace, what angle etc. Practically any well-rounded athlete could be "built" into a world beater.

    INA's training regime is different, flair and creativity is always encouraged. But this system requires emphasis on individual talent. Thus you have Tony, Sigit, Ricky, possibly Hendra Setiawan in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abedeng View Post
    Not Park Joo Bong, though. He had creativity and flair. Came through at at 17 when Korea was not yet a force in badminton.
    That is exactly why he is one of the best during his time - the mechanical rigidity of tactics mated with flair and superb technical skills.

    I agree with the mechanical vs creative players bit - pros and cons both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abedeng View Post
    Not Park Joo Bong, though. He had creativity and flair. Came through at at 17 when Korea was not yet a force in badminton.

    yes, i agree there are a few korean exception and PJB is a standout one.

    Though I agree that from KDM onwards, the players are more like robots. Probably the Korean training regime is based more on sports science, where to hit, how much pace, what angle etc. Practically any well-rounded athlete could be "built" into a world beater.
    yes, i see the new generation korean players execute shots like doing tae kwan do, karate and japanese sword fighting.

    INA's training regime is different, flair and creativity is always encouraged. But this system requires emphasis on individual talent. Thus you have Tony, Sigit, Ricky, possibly Hendra Setiawan in future.
    If one look at the poll list of nominated players, all of them, except tony, had done well only with their life time partner. Tony has shown to us that he can do well with various partners. I leave u with this question, if u take out tony G from the list of above nominees, which other MD players that could partner with howard bach to a major championship?
    Last edited by cooler; 03-04-2008 at 01:02 AM.

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