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  • Park Joo Bong

    43 3.89%
  • Kim Dong Moon

    22 1.99%
  • Kim Moon Soo

    5 0.45%
  • Rexy Mainaky

    30 2.71%
  • Tony Gunawan

    172 15.55%
  • Hendra Setiawen

    126 11.39%
  • Cai Yun

    262 23.69%
  • Koo KK

    189 17.09%
  • Jens Eriksen

    19 1.72%
  • Sigit Budiarto

    59 5.33%
  • Lee Yong Dae

    170 15.37%
  • Christian Hadinata

    9 0.81%
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    of corze Lee Yong Dae! oh may~
    he so cool when play badminton <33

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    erm...sorry ya...i think lcw will be the best frontmen...look at how he dominate the net today against pg...

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    erm...sorry ya...i think lcw will be the best frontmen...look at how he dominate the net today against pg...
    limsy, you do need to slow down and read the title of the thread before posting.

    For instance, this is about the best frontman in doubles.
    Men's Doubles, to be precise.

    If the attempt is to be funny, please go to this thread.
    It has had nearly one hundred thousand views so far.
    A bit more won't hurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    limsy, you do need to slow down and read the title of the thread before posting.

    For instance, this is about the best frontman in doubles.
    Men's Doubles, to be precise.

    If the attempt is to be funny, please go to this thread.
    It has had nearly one hundred thousand views so far.
    A bit more won't hurt
    ok...i wont do lame joke again...so sorry...

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    still KKK in my mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    still KKK in my mind
    u should get a check up

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    Cai Yun! But then again I might be biased. ;p

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    Quote Originally Posted by scherzando View Post
    Cai Yun! But then again I might be biased. ;p
    U must be kidding....Cai Yun was outplayed by Hendra Setiawan almost everytime when these 2 players sparred against each other.

    Right now, I think Lee Yong Dae still has the edge, followed by Hendra Setiawan.

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    LOL. Don't mind me. The opinion came from a person who is totally biased, subjective, and knows nothing about badminton. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    tony g is in his own class, period.
    imo, this poll isn't even necessary
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayiWT...eature=related

    tony can smack 2 pro players (kdm and tkh) with just one shot
    i re-watched this amazing video. I noticed the score was 14-0. The athen MD gold medalists got owned by tony and halim. Pure talent. Anybody remember the final score?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    i re-watched this amazing video. I noticed the score was 14-0. The athen MD gold medalists got owned by tony and halim. Pure talent. Anybody remember the final score?
    They completely destroyed KDM and HTK on the first game by 15-0, and the second game was like 15-11 or something. KDM and HTK was the defending champion but the stand no change in front of the peaked Tony.

    Just a side note that KDM also played mix final on the same day against GL/ZJ earlier and went to rubbers. And he end up losing both titles.

    Anyhow, I still think KDM rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Right now, I think Lee Yong Dae still has the edge, followed by Hendra Setiawan.
    Agreed. And what amazed me most is that LYD is not only limited to the front court, but also able to smash very hard at the back, and heck he is only 19.

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    Koo Kien Keat All The Way!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wong8Egg View Post
    Agreed. And what amazed me most is that LYD is not only limited to the front court, but also able to smash very hard at the back, and heck he is only 19.
    ..a saengil chukha hamnida for his 20th year birthday??..

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    Well for me it has to be Park Joo Bong, closely followed by Kim Dong Moon. It seemed that Park laid the foundations and Kim Dong Moon carried it on. What made Park so good was that he was able to win at mixed doubles as well. Same as Kim Dong Moon. These two players dominated mixed doubles over many years with their partners. The reason why is because they were so good at the mid and front court.
    Park had the ability to read the game quicker than everyone else, and the god given talent to finish off almost every rally at the net. It is very rare to see anyone dominating him at the net, in fact i can't remember anyone doing it consistently. Park and Kim Moon Soo were a great combination, and many times just blew the opposition away, and this was in a time of some great pairs, such as Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi, The Sideks and Gunawan/Hartono. That was a golden era for Men's doubles, which has not been seen since.
    If you paired Park and Kim against Ricky and Rexy, i think Park and Kim would win. If you remember the 1993 Surdiman Cup final, Park and Kim came out of their mens doubles retirement and played Ricky and Rudy Gunawan. Park and Kim destroyed them. and don't forget that Gunawan and Ricky then went on to win the individual world championships the very next week. Had Park and Kim entered then they would surely could have won.

    The emergence of Chandra Wijaya and Sigit carried on the mantle, but Sigit appeared to be a bit inconsistent. Tony Gunawan paired up with Chandra, and this was a much more consistent pair, with Wijaya being a perfect foil for Tony Gunawan to express his skills at the net. This is what makes a good front man, you have to have a partner who will do the power play at the back to set things up. All the best men's doubles pairs had this combination. Park had Kim Moon Soo, Kim Dong Moon had Ha Tae Kwon, Tony Gunawan had Chandra etc.

    There are some exceptions to this general rule, where both players in the pair are equal at the front and rear, but not that many. If you take todays pairs you have Fu and Cai, but let's face it, If you have the power of Fu at the back, whoever plays at the net will have good opportunities to show off their net skills. For me, Cai Yun is not in the same league as Park Joo Bong.

    In fact, in my opinion, if you had Park Joo Bong and Kim Moon Soo at their peak, playing right now against the current best in the world, they would beat every single one of them. You could put Park up against any of the current front men, and there would be no competition. Many of you will disagree with this, but the standard of badminton that Park was able to achieve over 20 years ago would still be more than good enough today.

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    Default ^^Interesting insights..^^

    (just adding a couple sens)...
    ..i would agree that the standard of yesteryears or even goldenyears of MD, arguably, "would still be more than good enough today." In a sense, yes, they've built that "foundation" or layed out the "ground work" for today's talents.
    But IMO, the speed and power of today's players are quite different as well. Have you seen the plays/videos/matches of some of today's new MD players?? The likes of the adorable and all-girls fave Lee Yong Dae or the always calm and poised Hendra Setiawan or the flashy and multi-faceted hairdo Koo Kien Keat?? I think the game itself probably has become a bit faster and with players able to infuse more power into the game...

    I haven't seen much of PJB and KDM in action, but i believe they were special. But at the same time, i think we might see a new special talent for KOR today in Lee Yong Dae (and he's still very young). It's not a coincidence all of them are Korean players as well.

    The bit about Tony G. He was partnered with Candra because Sigit was suspended by IBF (if not for that, i don't know if they would become partners). But i would agree the partnership was probably Tony's and Candra's best. Tony also partnered with Halim and Rexy, briefly, and they became good combinations as well. I think Tony G. and Kim Dong Moon would probably fall into the same category, in terms of overall accomplishments and talent, if not for Tony's lack of international success playing XD. Too bad KDM stopped his professional playing career a bit short.

    Anyway, i'm sure those are the good 'ol times and we're enjoying the current batch of players. Who knows, in the future there could be more talented MD players to shine and maybe make their own "era".
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    I agree that Lee Yong Dae is a special talent. He is the successor to Park and Kim Dong Moon, and no doubt he will begin to dominate in men's and mixed, but only if he has good enough partners. The point about the speed of todays game i don't agree with. I think the change in the scoring system has made players a lot more attack minded, you have no other choice. However, if you take Park, he was about attack minded as you can get, and i believe todays scoring system would suit him even more. Players like him were able to win the quick points, the serve and return shots, the shots that win games. Forget the long rallies, the vast majority of points that Park won were in the first couple of shots, so i reckon he would fit in to the modern game just perfectly. This is how the very best frontmen play. The other key point is consistency. What sets the best apart from the rest is being able to perform at the highest level over many years.

    To me, the Malaysian player KKK is very inconsistent. He has talent, no doubt, but there is no consistency there. The indonesians appear to be the big game players, their recent success bears testament to this.

    Is there more power in todays game than 10 years ago? Do you really think that the players are smashing consistently harder than before? I doubt it, and if they are it is only slightly.( with the exception of Fu Haifeng) Do they move quicker? Again, if they do it is only slightly . What is apparent to me is that todays game is concentrated on serve and return more. There appears to be much quicker points than 10 years ago, and this is why your frontman, the one who anticipates, reacts quicker than the rest is so important. This is why i still think Park would excel in todays game.

    Lee yong Dae is very good at the serve and return game. If you watched the Olympic MX final you will see just how good his low serve is, i don't think he missed a single serve. His returns are also very good, and his ability to come forward from the mid court to the net and end the rally is what sets him apart, and he is only going to get better at it too. Now, the distance from mid court to net is not that far, no matter what era you come from, and this is why players with the god given ability to able to come forward at the front of the court and end rallies will win. Park is the best there has ever been at this, Kim Dong Moon is a close second, Lee Yong dae may well become the next.

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