Who is the trick master???

**almighty** · 02-21-2008, 03:06 AM

i think trick n deceptive is the same
isn't we use trick shot to deceive our opp?

**No one** · 02-21-2008, 03:54 AM

actually that's a good question. To my mind, if you hit the shuttle from between your legs--that's a 'trick' shot. It tends to be something you do in desperation. But deception--that's something you do when you have time to choose a shot. There are all kinds--from making all one's overhead shots (drops, clears, smashes) look the same, to the gade-esque net shots. These all rely on deceiving the opponent into thinking you are going to do a particular action by following the usual motions, then at the last minute doing something different.

I don't quite like this definition, but I'm thinking of gillian clark's comments on the sigit-chandra v gunawan-hadiyanto game when she talked of sigit and gunawan doing 'trick shots', referring to sigit's taking the shuttle between the legs and gunawan taking shots behind him. But to me these shots are only 'tricks' because they're rarely seen, and they're desperate. They don't really 'trick' the opponent, they are carnival actions.

**george@chongwei** · 02-21-2008, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by xXazn_romeoXx

chen hong's magic touch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ZepmJvrzM

how about this video??

**xXazn_romeoXx** · 02-21-2008, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

how about this video??

i know ehhh

you don't take the shuttle much more later than that....EVER!

...i've been trying this shot out, but so far, no luck

i realize how much hand eye coordination and balance he has to hit a shot like that lol

**george@chongwei** · 02-21-2008, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

how about this video??

sorry, i forgot to paste the link..
here is the link>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8hk...eature=related

**jchan04** · 02-21-2008, 07:29 AM

tricks and deceptive shots are the same. it has the same purpose to decieve the player into something than it really is. shots like pulling back to decieve a drop or last minute wrist flick are examples of trick shots designed to confuse the player.

however, shots like hidyat or sigit... when they counter a smash behind their back or between their legs... these are shots of desperation... and the purpose of desperation shots is that it was a last minute mind change, if they had the time they would of made the shot in a different. so chen hong's shot was desperate.

**jchan04** · 02-21-2008, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

sorry, i forgot to paste the link..
here is the link>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV8hk...eature=related

Peter Gade's trademark shot! everyone knows it's Gade's.
that's a deceptive shot, he had all the time in the world to do anything with this shuttle but he decided at match point to pull this one off. definitely not a shot of desperation.

**jchan04** · 02-21-2008, 07:39 AM

hahaha look at this doubles deceptive shot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6fIKP6ZFY&NR=1

**george@chongwei** · 02-21-2008, 08:24 AM

wtf!!
this video!!
unbelievable!!!!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShf...eature=related

**jchan04** · 02-21-2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

wtf!!
this video!!
unbelievable!!!!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShf...eature=related

lee chong wei looks so short. how tall is he?

**george@chongwei** · 02-21-2008, 08:34 AM

he is like 1.74 m like that

**No one** · 02-21-2008, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by jchan04

tricks and deceptive shots are the same. it has the same purpose to decieve the player into something than it really is. shots like pulling back to decieve a drop or last minute wrist flick are examples of trick shots designed to confuse the player.

however, shots like hidyat or sigit... when they counter a smash behind their back or between their legs... these are shots of desperation... and the purpose of desperation shots is that it was a last minute mind change, if they had the time they would of made the shot in a different. so chen hong's shot was desperate.

yeah I agree with that. I was trying to say that gillian clark often characterises those 'desperation' shots as "trick shots", but to me they aren't really trick shots at all. At the same time, I dislike the term "trick shot" because it doesn't really seem to cover (for example) overhead shots which are highly deceptive. So I prefer to talk of deceptive shots than trick shots.

**Smichz** · 02-21-2008, 09:46 AM

Since i never really saw hendrawan's play..i would vote for PG,Sigit.B for now then..Hehe..eager to watch some videos of hendrawan..

Anyone r willing to share?

**alfa-2** · 02-21-2008, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

wtf!!
this video!!
unbelievable!!!!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShf...eature=related

@&%^&$!*&%$!^$#*&!...........he retrieved those shots like he's just a character inside a video game, so easy.........[command: press left/right + press button A]

PRO GILE!!! Now i know why he's so good at defense.

**jchan04** · 02-21-2008, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by alfa-2

@&%^&$!*&%$!^$#*&!...........he retrieved those shots like he's just a character inside a video game, so easy.........[command: press left/right + press button A]

PRO GILE!!! Now i know why he's so good at defense.

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

wtf!!
this video!!
unbelievable!!!!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuShf...eature=related

oh returning those smashes aren't that special tho... a lot of practice can get you there. I mean like he's doing it to practice. Like in tournaments, I've dive for shot before when playing mixed doubles. I remember i was smashing from the right-side of the court straight down and it returned to the left-deep end and so i had to launch myself from middle court and then i dived for it for that extra reach... oh man i had a bad knee scrap that day. Also do you notice that the player smashing is left-handed, like the two back court players are left handed... and you know what that means? Lee Chong Wei is preparing for Lin Dan... wow!