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    think thats the best choice for TBH given the limited choices of female players in malaysian camp...

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    I have a question though. Is by splitting an established pair that has been together for so many years a wise move?

    I understand that both players did not really performed up to par for the couple of years but the reason is not due to compatibility issue, as they'd proven themselves when they were rookies. By not getting to the bottom of their problems which I think is mainly due to attitude, discipline and commitment, changing events and partners will not get them anywhere. Instead, the vicious cycle would keep on repeating itself and worst of all it will drags other committed players into the scene.

    If one's aim going to school is only to pass time and for a leisurely walk, it doesn't matter what quality of education he is getting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3Series View Post
    very the true! . . . u can see TKH try to say something to TBH after the 1st game when they were picking up the bags to change places. . . It's a pity most ppl blame KKK because of his infamous indiscipline on court ( even in the big macthes ). In my opinion TBH is not mentally strong. Just my 2 cents. . .
    Many are blinded with their fury against KKK and would rather let him shoulder all the blame...
    They have to realise that TBH has also been underperforming...

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    SPLIT IS THE BEST WAY

    Before i thought KKK/TBH can be a dark horse in men's double , because so many people think that they will give their best for their country by having dicipline on court, stay focus, work harder
    but KKK , just threw everything away by some silly shots that cause TBH off

    from what i see , KKK just ordinary front player nothing special from him, and what i dont like is everytime he win the shuttle , he likes to walk in front of the net and showing that his greatness, cockiness that he is better than his opponent
    and what funny things is KKK like to shout LOUD everytime he smash the shuttle but seems like shuttle doesnt hit that fast and more power only his SOUND, and i dont know either why his coach PCC also like somekind of arrogant on coach seat or maybe its just my mind

    TBH is more low profile and he is a great smasher

    some malaysians may dissagree with me
    dont know , what do u think ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Seafood View Post
    SPLIT IS THE BEST WAY

    Before i thought KKK/TBH can be a dark horse in men's double , because so many people think that they will give their best for their country by having dicipline on court, stay focus, work harder
    but KKK , just threw everything away by some silly shots that cause TBH off

    from what i see , KKK just ordinary front player nothing special from him, and what i dont like is everytime he win the shuttle , he likes to walk in front of the net and showing that his greatness, cockiness that he is better than his opponent
    and what funny things is KKK like to shout LOUD everytime he smash the shuttle but seems like shuttle doesnt hit that fast and more power only his SOUND, and i dont know either why his coach PCC also like somekind of arrogant on coach seat or maybe its just my mind

    TBH is more low profile and he is a great smasher

    some malaysians may dissagree with me
    dont know , what do u think ?
    1st of all I know most of us would love to see a new partnership for these 2 lads, but honestly, just saying 'split is the best way' is not enough. Split, what's next? Who's gonna partner with them?

    KKK may be just an ordinary if u see his game from 2009 till recently. I suggest watch the games before that so you may see why was this pair were feared last time. He need some1 at the backcourt to deliver the shot as TBH ( or maybe better ). So who is the best partner for him? Same goes to TBH. He need some1 to setting for him to do the job easier. In Malaysian so called 'elite' players pool, who is the best candidate to do that?

    In my observation, lately TBH's game aren't that great anymore. His fitness level is so low that you'll see after 1 'all-out' smash he'll start to drop/drive/even clear the bird. The OG show's the worst performance. It as if he doesn't want to fight any longer. With this kinda attitude/discipline, so tell me and all BCers here, who is the best candidate for this low-profile chap?

    Splitting is not easy as we think. It risk a lot ppl. The coach,the management and the most is the players themselves.

    From my point of view, instead of splitting these 2, BAM shud continue with whatever project they have in their mind to polished all the 'assets' they have. To be simple, instead of repair, make new 1 better. Malaysia Open should be the best platform for any pairs in Malaysia to show what they are made of. But still. . .we know the answer to that
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    now it is the battle of tan/pang vs nadzmi and co
    hehe
    benifit say it all
    power,money and fame

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    Its time they split. After Rexy left, thats it.As suggested before, KKK can play XD. TBH can partner Ah How again if they want a senior. If youngster, Ow is best candidate as his current partner Chooi is not strong physically. The prob would be the age difference.Another would be Teo Kok Slang

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3Series View Post
    1st of all I know most of us would love to see a new partnership for these 2 lads, but honestly, just saying 'split is the best way' is not enough. Split, what's next? Who's gonna partner with them?

    KKK may be just an ordinary if u see his game from 2009 till recently. I suggest watch the games before that so you may see why was this pair were feared last time. He need some1 at the backcourt to deliver the shot as TBH ( or maybe better ). So who is the best partner for him? Same goes to TBH. He need some1 to setting for him to do the job easier. In Malaysian so called 'elite' players pool, who is the best candidate to do that?

    In my observation, lately TBH's game aren't that great anymore. His fitness level is so low that you'll see after 1 'all-out' smash he'll start to drop/drive/even clear the bird. The OG show's the worst performance. It as if he doesn't want to fight any longer. With this kinda attitude/discipline, so tell me and all BCers here, who is the best candidate for this low-profile chap?

    Splitting is not easy as we think. It risk a lot ppl. The coach,the management and the most is the players themselves.

    From my point of view, instead of splitting these 2, BAM shud continue with whatever project they have in their mind to polished all the 'assets' they have. To be simple, instead of repair, make new 1 better. Malaysia Open should be the best platform for any pairs in Malaysia to show what they are made of. But still. . .we know the answer to that
    Then i can say ur OBSERVATION IS WRONG. Its not about fitness level or whatsoever, IF u OPEN ur EYES, u can see that TBH has higher fitness level than KKK. the difference is too BIG
    u also should consider the future prospect , tbh still young , he can still achieve something great in the future
    if ur partner always make unreasonable mistake , do you think as a partner u can bear it ? they are profesional player dude. then what u will say about LYD and JJS, after JJS left who should partner with LYD , of course the association will decide that , is who is the approriate candidate, then u should questioning urself why rexy left this pair ?????

    U may say that SPLIT is not the best way , but TBH can still continue playing with KKK and at the same time playing mix double like what indonesian does,
    hendra setiawan/ markis kido
    hendra setiawan/ vita marrisa
    markis kido/ pia zebaedah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Seafood View Post
    Then i can say ur OBSERVATION IS WRONG. Its not about fitness level or whatsoever, IF u OPEN ur EYES, u can see that TBH has higher fitness level than KKK. the difference is too BIG
    u also should consider the future prospect , tbh still young , he can still achieve something great in the future
    if ur partner always make unreasonable mistake , do you think as a partner u can bear it ? they are profesional player dude. then what u will say about LYD and JJS, after JJS left who should partner with LYD , of course the association will decide that , is who is the approriate candidate, then u should questioning urself why rexy left this pair ?????

    U may say that SPLIT is not the best way , but TBH can still continue playing with KKK and at the same time playing mix double like what indonesian does,
    hendra setiawan/ markis kido
    hendra setiawan/ vita marrisa
    markis kido/ pia zebaedah
    Cap's really makes me think. Yeah right. . . .I lol-ed. .

    Anyway, I'm not sure how do you compare their fitness level, maybe not same as mine. Maybe your mentality says that whoever do most smashes/ killing strokes means he has high fitness, but for me, this only applies when the pair is using the tactics where they'll rotate among them to smash the bird.

    For KKK/TBH pair, they were not using this tactics longer so I would say fitness level for KKK is enough for him to do his job while for TBH, his fitness is under par for what he used to be. I'm not comparing their fitness as u did so that is why I'm saying the fitness for TBH is low because I've watched his game before ( and most of us love how he execute his blow over and over again ). But I have to agree with you if you're saying TBH's much better than KKK's, but this is not what I really want to talk about.

    Based on OG recently, it seems like KKK has given 90% while TBH was like 70% only. I was like 'where is the 423km/h smash?'. And the final game with Korean pair shows it. Do you really think partnering with anyone would fix this especially in Malaysian XD? Then I would say TBH will always break his racket disappointing on his partner. With this kind of attitude/discipline, even if they partner with someone that is really good, I don't think they can improve at all. Rexy had mentioned a lot of time about discipline for this pair. He only mention about it on-court. But most of us think that it is related to KKK's lifestyle. Thus all chanting/mocking is directly onto him.

    You can have the best tactics, the highest fitness level, the best coaches or even the best partner in the world, but if your mentality is just wavy most of the time, no point. Please don't let this 'morale-down' senior affecting the juniors. It's better leave them fixed themselves. After that, yes. . .SPLIT!

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    First of all Im not Malaysian , but I really DO love and support Malaysian Players especially TBH.
    It's not based on who has the best smash, if U review their match in indonesian open, olympic , all england , its too obvious that KKK is OUT OF BREATH
    u said : And the final game with Korean pair shows it. Do you really think partnering with anyone would fix this especially in Malaysian XD?
    I: i think TBH has talent in MX, then WHY NOT? at least he can still contribute rather than stick with KKK

    Based on OG recently, it seems like KKK has given 90% while TBH was like 70% only. I was like 'where is the 423km/h smash?
    oh come on, KKK is 2 years older than TBH , so i think KKK should lead TBH by not having silly mistake such as wrong interception ? silly cross net ?
    why TBH should put his energy while his partner waste all the things? I really dont get it
    But yes , as a profesional player TBH should put himself in the best performance

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    - It has been mentioned KKK is hardest to deal with in terms of discipline. See one of the threads.
    - It is well known TBH has lower stamina than KKK. Mentioned before by coach Pang. KKK has also tested to be fittest MD player, of course that was 2 to 3 years back. That's why KKK can play MD and XD, one of the reasons anyway.
    - After Rexy left, the understanding and team work has gone from bad to worse. That will be something that put a thorn between them. TKH, Pang or sports psy will not be able to solve this unless both really(X5) let bygones be bygones.
    - TBH better partner younger partner, even the older Ah How. Compare the understanding between TBH and Ah How, immediate chemistry, no tension2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Seafood View Post

    from what i see , KKK just ordinary front player nothing special from him, and what i dont like is everytime he win the shuttle , he likes to walk in front of the net and showing that his greatness, cockiness that he is better than his opponent
    and what funny things is KKK like to shout LOUD everytime he smash the shuttle but seems like shuttle doesnt hit that fast and more power only his SOUND,
    Its more of a shout of frustration and desperation to me, not to hv more power.

    Haha but i enjoy watching him shout, it makes me feels happy cause its comical, sort of watching comedy badminton.

    But of course, just like most people, its frustratingly sad watching a talented pair going downhill before the end of their physical prime.

    Watching their defense against the Korean in bronze match, i'm impressed with their reflex, though it fails to gain points. To be able to repulse at least 5-8 continuous smash from top players, i'll give credit because normally i'm not able to block more than 3 smashes from my friend. Not that i'm a good player anyway.

    Split or not, unlike others, i think we do not know if its good or bad for them. We can't tell until its tested. It will be trial and error. I still think they need professional motivator.

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    hehe
    so pang/tan beat nadzmi and co with 21-10,12-21,21-15
    koo/tan will not split!
    for all the coach honors,fame,money and power sake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Seafood View Post
    First of all Im not Malaysian , but I really DO love and support Malaysian Players especially TBH.
    It's not based on who has the best smash, if U review their match in indonesian open, olympic , all england , its too obvious that KKK is OUT OF BREATH
    Why are we talking about the past games? Aren't we talking bout the recent game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Seafood View Post
    oh come on, KKK is 2 years older than TBH , so i think KKK should lead TBH by not having silly mistake such as wrong interception ? silly cross net ?

    Tell me in OG who made most unforced error? TBH or KKK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Seafood View Post
    why TBH should put his energy while his partner waste all the things? I really dont get it
    But yes , as a profesional player TBH should put himself in the best performance
    Honestly, we should end this discussion since we were not synchronised about matches. I'm at your side if you are talking about those past games, but at this moment I am talking about OG only. It's the game that shows us whether they shud separate or not. It's the game that shows us how much effort they put.

    If you keep saying they should be separated based on past performance and not the recent 1 , I rest my case
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3Series View Post

    If you keep saying they should be separated based on past performance and not the recent 1 , I rest my case
    Based on recent performance during OG, I'm of opinion they should split. In fact even more so. Based on performances last half of 2011 until 2012, they also should split. They have to reach the understanding of 2010 WC to carry on, after Rexy left, that understanding is gone

    The 'should not split' level of performances was over as of end of 2010, after AG
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    tbh did a public hearing about the split as he post in weibo ask about public opinion,haha

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    Just split la...

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