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    Quote Originally Posted by algonquinsmash View Post
    Ok, jus seen the semi match.. What do you want to discus ?.. It's like watching them pay in 2009-2010 when they were number ONE.. Is all I've been saying.. And they create frustration with their awesome defence and unorthodox playing that confuses their opponents play.. You got to also remember they beat the Danes 7 time before this match, they know how to beat theses guys.. When the Malaysians are on their game they are very hard to beat..
    But what about when they lost to the korean pair sarang/kijung in the japan open last month ?

    Your saying they were not at their best that time ?

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    OT -

    Anyone notice that KKK's middle name is spelt wrongly on the thread title? It should be Kien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davlee View Post
    Well, I have to agree with the bunch here saying that the MAS pair managed to enter into the Finals because of the mistakes made by the Danes. Yes, I do give credit to the MAS pair for taking the second set easily but if not because of mistakes made by CM towards the ending, it was gone case for the MAS. Even though I did not watch their first match against Korean, I did watch their match against the Thais. I want to disagree to those who can predict just by watching their earlier matches because KKK/TBH tend not to be consistent even in a single tournament. They can play well one day and play like **** the other... Let's see how they perform in the finals...
    It may seem like KKK/TBH are inconsistent but they have a pattern, it was more obvious during Rexy's time. Thus far,over the years, their results are close to what a few of us predicted. The usual cases are when most here predict they will lose early rounds(because they did badly the tournaments before that) while a few of us predict they will go final.

    Their pattern did go haywire after Pang & TKH took over, started to stabilize during TC. Anyway, just enjoy the matches, not everyone will like this type of analysis, esp when it comes to analysing KKK/TBH

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    From what I seen during the final:

    KKK goes in and out of the match. Sometimes he can still be very good, sometimes just plain terrible.
    TBH played quite well initially but botches the crucial points.

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    KKK got a warning from the coach not to play fancy during the 3rd game break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajrul View Post
    i tend to agree.. there is a new dimension to their game.... forcing the opponent to make mistakes.... they manage to make their boring (and self destructive) lift lift game into a weapon..... which is really weird...and to a young pair like the thais.. it was a trap that they cannot come out off .. and to the danes.. it causes stress inducing mistakes.. after mistakes.....

    of course.. the better teams will be on to their treachery soon enough....i ll bet..


    all in all i dare say. they deserve their final berth.. and looking forward to tonights game
    Agreed! But in the end, the better team deserves it. Full commitment, not wasting any shuttle, any points

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    Seems like kootan has improved but still not good enuf. Hopefully they can continue their development

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    Seems like kootan has improved but still not good enuf. Hopefully they can continue their development
    that's right, Koo need more consistence in defence especially no more stupid middle leg defence, while Tan need to upgrade his stamina as smash is his true weapon... look at him... no hard smash at all... unlike year 2007 and year 2010...

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    Everything is okay with this pair... it's just KKK's attitude that needs to be changed. They got all the tactics right when they kept on lifting to preventing smashes flying in at them and their defence has got better because they don't give away easy short lifts anymore.

    I suspect when playing against Danish , CHN, and KOR pairs they need to change their tactics each time because arguably DEN, CHN, KOR all have different doubles playing styles. KOR is just plain fast returns and raw hard smashes. DEN pair concentrates more on winning the net so they can get the kill through smashes using their height. CHN pair is more balanced(they have defence, net play, variation in smashes,drop shots etc. ) , more like KKK/TBH.

    Being a top doubles pair is really hard these days because KOR, CHN, DEN all have different but effective styles , so to be a top pair, you have to change your style each time against different countries.

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    Their tactics has definitely changed but the mentality is still not on par with the other top players yet. Hence a 19-21 defeat in the rubber game.

    Against the Danes, I wouldn't say it was totally luck, there were a few good rallies but they WERE lucky enough to escape the match point due to CM. Their mental strength is up and down, against the Danes they held their nerves but not against the Koreans.

    KKK should try to keep things standard, or else he'll continue being inconsistent.
    TBH has to work on stamina and mental strength especially at crucial stages. I wondered if the point at 19-19, if TBH didn't shout while trying to play the drop, would the drop have crossed? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    KKK got a warning from the coach not to play fancy during the 3rd game break.
    TBH got a yellow card at match point after slamming his racket softly..

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    Everything is okay with this pair... it's just KKK's attitude that needs to be changed. They got all the tactics right when they kept on lifting to preventing smashes flying in at them and their defence has got better because they don't give away easy short lifts anymore.

    I suspect when playing against Danish , CHN, and KOR pairs they need to change their tactics each time because arguably DEN, CHN, KOR all have different doubles playing styles. KOR is just plain fast returns and raw hard smashes. DEN pair concentrates more on winning the net so they can get the kill through smashes using their height. CHN pair is more balanced(they have defence, net play, variation in smashes,drop shots etc. ) , more like KKK/TBH.

    Being a top doubles pair is really hard these days because KOR, CHN, DEN all have different but effective styles , so to be a top pair, you have to change your style each time against different countries.
    Actually, instead of keep defending and lifting up the shuttle high up for their opponent to smash, they can actually attack back using their defense .. Just like many of the top pairs out there.. No idea what are they thinking about..

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Actually, instead of keep defending and lifting up the shuttle high up for their opponent to smash, they can actually attack back using their defense .. Just like many of the top pairs out there.. No idea what are they thinking about..
    they plan to play like they played against thai's pair

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    They should be more faster on court. Just watched their match of 2006 and 2007.. it is very fast compared to their current gameplay..

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Actually, instead of keep defending and lifting up the shuttle high up for their opponent to smash, they can actually attack back using their defense .. Just like many of the top pairs out there.. No idea what are they thinking about..
    That's why I said they need to change their tactics against different countries. Lifting the shuttle higher up works against the 'taller' Danish players.

    But against the Koreans, they can afford to try to change defence into attack by just lifting to the front and then getting the attack mode back because the Koreans are not so deadly when lifting to the front compared to the Danes, who will just kill the shuttle easily if they lifted to the front.

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    Honestly, comparing what they are right now and what they were back then is somehow irrational due to the differences in their tactics, mentality, discipline and stamina. To george, watch 2010 world championships final match. The tactics and pace is almost the same as 2006-2007. And after that, we all know what happen on 2011, till now

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    That's why I said they need to change their tactics against different countries. Lifting the shuttle higher up works against the 'taller' Danish players.

    But against the Koreans, they can afford to try to change defence into attack by just lifting to the front and then getting the attack mode back because the Koreans are not so deadly when lifting to the front compared to the Danes, who will just kill the shuttle easily if they lifted to the front.
    But the problem is. . . . .Tan BoooM Heong

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