Koo Kean Keat & Tan Boon Heong - Going Downhill?

**undeadshot** · 07-15-2010, 05:43 AM

Well, do any of you think that part of this is Rexy's fault for letting them so loose and unmotivated? I, personally, as much as I thank Rexy for having quality back-up MDs and forming the Koo-Tan partnership, I believe that part of the blame of them going downhill is Rexy's fault.

Rexy Manaiky, although I believe he should not rule and dominate Koo Kien Keat's life, he should try to set some ground rules to keep him in order. One's personality is hard to change, but it can be controlled, like how most students in school are kept under control because of the rules. He should not let KKK go out clubbing and so on often, and restrict it to only a few times a month or so. Also, as their coach, he should be responsible for fanning the fire in them - to keep them motivated. Also, he should not let TBH get lax too.

What do you guys think? Should Rexy also be pointed at for this pair's lack of motivation, or not?

**adamahmad90** · 07-16-2010, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by undeadshot

Well, do any of you think that part of this is Rexy's fault for letting them so loose and unmotivated? I, personally, as much as I thank Rexy for having quality back-up MDs and forming the Koo-Tan partnership, I believe that part of the blame of them going downhill is Rexy's fault.

Rexy Manaiky, although I believe he should not rule and dominate Koo Kien Keat's life, he should try to set some ground rules to keep him in order. One's personality is hard to change, but it can be controlled, like how most students in school are kept under control because of the rules. He should not let KKK go out clubbing and so on often, and restrict it to only a few times a month or so. Also, as their coach, he should be responsible for fanning the fire in them - to keep them motivated. Also, he should not let TBH get lax too.

What do you guys think? Should Rexy also be pointed at for this pair's lack of motivation, or not?

well, it's an intresting topic to discuss

from my opinion, rexy shouldnt be blame 100% for kkk / tbh dropping performance...

a mentor can only help and guide their protege but it's the protege himself / herself that shud decide whether they want to follow it or not... when there is a will, there is a way... without self motivation, no matter how good the coach u have, it wont work...

i was attracted with the chinese badminton team... when they were preparing for beijing olympic games 2008, their players were willing to be involved with military training which is very tough for an athlete... in the end, they achieved success... same goes with thomas cup 2010... i guess, if we have aim or goal be targeted, we will be willing to sacrifice anything to achieve it... due to this, i fully respect LCW for his commitment for badminton...

im not saying that kkk / tbh have lost appetite for success, what they need is more self encouragement... they are still the best MD in malaysia n probably in the world, and im actually one of their fans... i really hope both of them can win WC this year...

**george@chongwei** · 10-29-2010, 01:50 AM

Well, this is something we all should be proud of

Koo is the flag bearer for malaysia team in the opening ceremony of the asian games in GZ, China..

ASIAN GAMES – Koo flag bearer for Malaysia
BY RAPHAEL SACHETAT – – OCTOBER 28, 2010POSTED IN: NEWS

After Nathan Robertson carrying the English flag in Delhi”s Opening Ceremony, badminton will once again be under the spotlight in the Opening Ceremony of the upcoming Asian Games as Koo Kien Keat has been chosen by the Malaysian Olympic Committee to be the flag bearer for his country’s delegation on November 12th in Guangzhou, China. Both shuttlers also happen to be SOLIBAD Ambassadors.

The committee chairman, Ng Chi Chai, who is also the BAM secretary, said that Kien Keat’s selection was a good recognition for the association.

“We are pleased that Kien Keat has been given the honour to lead the Malaysian contingent in the opening ceremony on Nov 12 and we have accepted it. It has been some time that a prominent figure from badminton was given this mandate,” said Chin Chai to Malaysia’s Star newspaper.

http://www.badzine.net/news/asian-ga...malaysia/9304/

**PaulYong** · 10-29-2010, 06:20 AM

I agree that we should be proud of them. It sure took them a long time to prove themselves worthy to be called Malaysia and World No. I doubles specialists.

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

Well, this is something we all should be proud of

Koo is the flag bearer for malaysia team in the opening ceremony of the asian games in GZ, China..

ASIAN GAMES – Koo flag bearer for Malaysia
BY RAPHAEL SACHETAT – – OCTOBER 28, 2010POSTED IN: NEWS

After Nathan Robertson carrying the English flag in Delhi”s Opening Ceremony, badminton will once again be under the spotlight in the Opening Ceremony of the upcoming Asian Games as Koo Kien Keat has been chosen by the Malaysian Olympic Committee to be the flag bearer for his country’s delegation on November 12th in Guangzhou, China. Both shuttlers also happen to be SOLIBAD Ambassadors.

The committee chairman, Ng Chi Chai, who is also the BAM secretary, said that Kien Keat’s selection was a good recognition for the association.

“We are pleased that Kien Keat has been given the honour to lead the Malaysian contingent in the opening ceremony on Nov 12 and we have accepted it. It has been some time that a prominent figure from badminton was given this mandate,” said Chin Chai to Malaysia’s Star newspaper.

http://www.badzine.net/news/asian-ga...malaysia/9304/

**limsy** · 10-29-2010, 07:22 AM

anyone here think koo/tan worth to be world no.1 double specialist?acording to post 1296
so the flag bearer news are under the downhill thread
sound negative
haha

**george@chongwei** · 10-29-2010, 09:41 AM

Sounds negative? Come on, that's something every baddy enthusistic should be proud of.. at least there's a name for badminton there..

.. from going downhill now are currently making the country proud. HOPE no more downhill. Think positive

**limsy** · 10-29-2010, 09:48 AM

people wont feel this is something negative if u post it in http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ination/page52 rather than here
hehe

**PaulYong** · 10-29-2010, 07:23 PM

Would you not agree that at that point in time, the standard of both Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong dropped like torpedoes? Anyway, those were things of the past, they have proven that they were in the lean periods then...........

Originally Posted by limsy

people wont feel this is something negative if u post it in http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ination/page52 rather than here
hehe

**limsy** · 10-30-2010, 02:45 PM

yes,i disagree
it is not koo/tan who dropped like torpedoes
it was other pair had catch up to their standard and even become better

if koo/tan dropped like torpedoes
then u mean the level of md in 2006 and 2008 have no different
but
we can see that the md field have drastic improvement in term of speed,power,tactic and skill

let see which is more reasonable
case a,they did drop like torpedoes
which mean they playing at 130% in between asian games 2006 until swiss open 2007
then drop back to 100%,hence get defeated by many other pair after swiss open 2007
mean the level of md doesnt change in between 2007-2010

case b,they didnt drop like torpedoes(hope u understand my figure)
which mean they play at 100 between asian games 2006 until swiss open 2007 while other at 80
after swiss open till end of 2007,other top pair is at 110 while koo/tan is around 105,hence the winning rate is about 50%
in 2008,other top pair is 130 while koo/tan is 115,with less improvement,they left behind(so called downhill)
in 2009,other top pair is 135 while koo/tan is around 128,hence 4 title
in 2010,their figure is about the same(around 140)
which mean
the 2010 koo/tan can beat 2007 cai/fu with 21-10,21-10
while the 2010 cai/fu can beat the 2007 koo/tan 21-11,21-11

saw the bigger picture or u still think they drop like torpedoes?
peace

**jasonmarc** · 10-31-2010, 01:45 AM

When we talk about 'down-hill' I think we are refering their 'Ability to Compete' not their level of play.

In professional sport when ones do not improves enough to be able to compete with others like during their good old days is considered as 'down-hill'.

Generally, the level of MD has improves tremendously in terms of speed, power, skills, tactics and accuracy comparing 2006 to 2010. If ones who were on top in 2006/2007 loses their grib to hold on their top spot because of others are improving fast and being left behine, that means their ability to compete international level has drop....in this case KKK/TBH did dropped like tropedoes especially in 2008 and 2009 compared to 2006/early 2007.

**undeadshot** · 10-31-2010, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

When we talk about 'down-hill' I think we are refering their 'Ability to Compete' not their level of play.

In professional sport when ones do not improves enough to be able to compete with others like during their good old days is considered as 'down-hill'.

Generally, the level of MD has improves tremendously in terms of speed, power, skills, tactics and accuracy comparing 2006 to 2010. If ones who were on top in 2006/2007 loses their grib to hold on their top spot because of others are improving fast and being left behine, that means their ability to compete international level has drop....in this case KKK/TBH did dropped like tropedoes especially in 2008 and 2009 compared to 2006/early 2007.

You might be right. Have Fang Chieh Min/Lee Sheng Mu gone downhill or is their game becoming predictable and easily read by their opponents now?

**eaglehelang** · 10-31-2010, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

Sounds negative? Come on, that's something every baddy enthusistic should be proud of.. at least there's a name for badminton there..

.. from going downhill now are currently making the country proud. HOPE no more downhill. Think positive

It means that if you post the news in downhill thread is bad news. Since there's a 'comeback trail' or uphill thread, the good news supposed is go there

**jasonmarc** · 10-31-2010, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by undeadshot

You might be right. Have Fang Chieh Min/Lee Sheng Mu gone downhill or is their game becoming predictable and easily read by their opponents now?

Ups and downs are quite ususal for sportmen, the main thing is how fast, how strong in your come back and how consistence after your come back.....for example FHF/CY, very fast, strong and very consistence after their come back since 2006 AG lost...KKK/TBH slow and steady but not strong enough.

Next, we will see how LYD/JJS's come back in AG.....

**limsy** · 10-31-2010, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

When we talk about 'down-hill' I think we are refering their 'Ability to Compete' not their level of play.

In professional sport when ones do not improves enough to be able to compete with others like during their good old days is considered as 'down-hill'.

Generally, the level of MD has improves tremendously in terms of speed, power, skills, tactics and accuracy comparing 2006 to 2010. If ones who were on top in 2006/2007 loses their grib to hold on their top spot because of others are improving fast and being left behine, that means their ability to compete international level has drop....in this case KKK/TBH did dropped like tropedoes especially in 2008 and 2009 compared to 2006/early 2007.

their ability to compete drop because other pair improved the level of play.
try to sketch a graph with what u say
if koo/tan did dropped like tropedoes,u mean they are rocket in 2009 and 2010?

**jasonmarc** · 10-31-2010, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by limsy

their ability to compete drop because other pair improved the level of play.
try to sketch a graph with what u say
if koo/tan did dropped like tropedoes,u mean they are rocket in 2009 and 2010?

Yes, that only showed how inconsistence they were....!

I dont say they are rocketing up in 2010, I would say they are on the ups of a roller coaster ride......lets see how they perform in coming AG.....whether its still on the 'ups' or already downs after WC, CWG..!

**limsy** · 11-01-2010, 01:23 PM

hmm
people do feel the flatness when they stand firm on the soil(small view)
but the earth isn't flat(bigger view)

if they were only roller costering (small view,maybe horizontally)
they will drop from 1st class to 2nd and then lower and lower because everybody is going upward

so,applying ur word
i think they still roller costering upward(from bigger view)
which mean they still improving

how about this?

**extremenanopowe** · 11-04-2010, 07:42 AM

at this age, BAM or the technical coaching committee should check their weights. When they win something, all these weights, stamina, strength and what nots have to be taken to maintain it. I am not sure if they have the expertise.

Once you win something, it is not easy to win it again. So maintaining the physical being is important.

Is BAM reading this?