Koo Kean Keat & Tan Boon Heong - Going Downhill?

**george@chongwei** · 08-20-2012, 12:55 AM

A split is a split..,. BAM, no more compromise!

**M3Series** · 08-20-2012, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by limsy

they lost more than 50% of their match against teammate in international tournament.

maybe I've missed those matches so can u please tell me which tournament? maybe not all of it, i just wanna know if I've missed any matches that they've lost. ( both in msia and international ) TQ.

**eaglehelang** · 08-20-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by M3Series

maybe I've missed those matches so can u please tell me which tournament? maybe not all of it, i just wanna know if I've missed any matches that they've lost. ( both in msia and international ) TQ.

International tournaments - the more famous one is losing to Fuzzy pair in SS Finals 2009 in group stage. As a result, KKK/TBH did not make it pass group stage that year.
Also : http://bwfcontent.tournamentsoftware...87F&player=123

Of course, they have also lost to CTF/LWW a couple of times before the uncles retired.
Those junior to them, they have lost once to Mak/TWK, forgot when. You can look it up :
http://bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14955

Local tournaments :
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...08B&player=405
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...B71E&player=88

**jasonmarc** · 08-20-2012, 10:33 PM

A pair played without fighting spirit when against top pairs is a strong massage that they don't have Believes in them self to win against top pairs like Cy/Fhf and Lyd/Cjs. They seems giving up very easily when they can't get the upper hand over top pairs.....This pair is done, they have no more confidence when against top pairs so why still keep them!!

**Mr.Seafood** · 08-21-2012, 12:29 AM

China league tournament is going be their last match as a partner

**julianng** · 08-21-2012, 12:48 AM

If not they are not split , I think KKK/TBH should watch back their video in the AG'06 and AE'07 back again how they beat CY/FHF so easily last time but lost to them so easily right now ...

Actually it's not because CY/FHF are in top form, they still play about the same as last time if you look at them.

**flite** · 08-21-2012, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

A pair played without fighting spirit when against top pairs is a strong massage that they don't have Believes in them self to win against top pairs like Cy/Fhf and Lyd/Cjs. They seems giving up very easily when they can't get the upper hand over top pairs.....This pair is done, they have no more confidence when against top pairs so why still keep them!!

Based on your opinion above, what difference does it makes to Koo/Tan if they were to split and got a new partner or to make to play in XD?

Kindly enlighten me.

**yayachico** · 08-21-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by julianng

If not they are not split , I think KKK/TBH should watch back their video in the AG'06 and AE'07 back again how they beat CY/FHF so easily last time but lost to them so easily right now ...
Actually it's not because CY/FHF are in top form, they still play about the same as last time if you look at them.

No, CY/FHF is not the same as last time.. yes, their style may still be the same but its alot more accurate, and faster. Their shots are more deadly and their defense is alot better than last time... KKK/TBH remains the same or even worse than last time. In mens doubles, speed, power, defense, precision is very important and one have to keep improving in order to stay at the top.. Very good example is CY/FHF and LYD/JJS. They were constantly improving and bring mens doubles to a whole new level whereas KKK/TBH is stagnant at where they were few years back. Because they think they're so great that they dont need to change n improve or they cant manage to improve, I dont know. Other pairs manage to stay at the top because they play a smart game, get the strategy right. KKK/TBH were once famous for their defense, power and KKK's speed at the net. All that are still there in their game. But others have evolve and got better than them.. They need to buck up and forget that they were once a great pair. They just need to admit that they are now an ordinary pair.
in the match against CY/FHF and LYD/JJS, they gave up too easily and didnt look interested in fighting back at all..

**jasonmarc** · 08-21-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by flite

Based on your opinion above, what difference does it makes to Koo/Tan if they were to split and got a new partner or to make to play in XD?Kindly enlighten me.

I mean they clearly have lost their confidence and fighting spirit against top pairs so it's better to try something new than keeping them and continue with uninspired performances.They did tried for years since 2008 and even changed their coach but still can't bring back their form in 2006/2007.......So, why keeping this combo instead of try something new...?

**SibugiChai** · 08-22-2012, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

I mean they clearly have lost their confidence and fighting spirit against top pairs so it's better to try something new than keeping them and continue with uninspired performances.They did tried for years since 2008 and even changed their coach but still can't bring back their form in 2006/2007.......So, why keeping this combo instead of try something new...?

I guess they are comfortable with what they have now. World top 10 with steady flow of income and less expectation

**julianng** · 08-22-2012, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by SibugiChai

I guess they are comfortable with what they have now. World top 10 with steady flow of income and less expectation

Yes, one thing they are not happy about though is the media and pressure from their home country to improve or facce the split. This is not fairytale land. I wish I could be them but without the media and home fans.

**undeadshot** · 08-22-2012, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by eaglehelang

Those junior to them, they have lost once to Mak/TWK, forgot when. You can look it up :
http://bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14955

2010 Malaysia GP Gold, quarter-finals

**julianng** · 08-22-2012, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by SibugiChai

I guess they are comfortable with what they have now. World top 10 with steady flow of income and less expectation

This is also what Taufik is trying to do, but it's just not possible given the reputation MAS and INA have in badminton. Players might be able to do this in other SE Asian nations or nations that are not known for having good players.

**SibugiChai** · 08-22-2012, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by julianng

This is also what Taufik is trying to do, but it's just not possible given the reputation MAS and INA have in badminton. Players might be able to do this in other SE Asian nations or nations that are not known for having good players.

KKKTBH still the best in msia, can be use as sparring partners but for taufik, he is outta PBSI so he can do what he like

**flite** · 08-22-2012, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

I mean they clearly have lost their confidence and fighting spirit against top pairs so it's better to try something new than keeping them and continue with uninspired performances.They did tried for years since 2008 and even changed their coach but still can't bring back their form in 2006/2007.......So, why keeping this combo instead of try something new...?

In your opinion, confident and fighting spirit are non-existent when up against those top MD is the logic behind your rally for them to part ways. What causes the lacking of positive attitude in the first place? Besides what you'd pointed out, are there any other reasons that contributed to their lackluster performances throughout the years?

IMO, the root cause lies within KKK and TBH themselves. They slacked for far too long, in many ways. As long as they kept a blind eye of their own shortcomings, what difference would it make in getting a new partner? Also those in line are players whom level is at least a notch below meaning to say Koo/Tan has to work extra harder to cover the combination and what makes you think they have the ability to do that when they themselves needed help?

As for XD lets put it this way. Even a player with the caliber of LYD needed a dependable partner in the form of LHJ to produce good result. Look what happened when the latter retired.

Split as they may (as a form of punishment???) but don't ever expect anything out of it.

**M3Series** · 08-22-2012, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by flite

In your opinion, confident and fighting spirit are non-existent when up against those top MD is the logic behind your rally for them to part ways. What causes the lacking of positive attitude in the first place? Besides what you'd pointed out, are there any other reasons that contributed to their lackluster performances throughout the years?

IMO, the root cause lies within KKK and TBH themselves. They slacked for far too long, in many ways. As long as they kept a blind eye of their own shortcomings, what difference would it make in getting a new partner? Also those in line are players whom level is at least a notch below meaning to say Koo/Tan has to work extra harder to cover the combination and what makes you think they have the ability to do that when they themselves needed help?

As for XD lets put it this way. Even a player with the caliber of LYD needed a dependable partner in the form of LHJ to produce.......

finally, i thought every would just agree if this pair splits

**julianng** · 08-22-2012, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by yayachico

No, CY/FHF is not the same as last time.. yes, their style may still be the same but its alot more accurate, and faster. Their shots are more deadly and their defense is alot better than last time... KKK/TBH remains the same or even worse than last time. In mens doubles, speed, power, defense, precision is very important and one have to keep improving in order to stay at the top.. Very good example is CY/FHF and LYD/JJS. They were constantly improving and bring mens doubles to a whole new level whereas KKK/TBH is stagnant at where they were few years back. Because they think they're so great that they dont need to change n improve or they cant manage to improve, I dont know. Other pairs manage to stay at the top because they play a smart game, get the strategy right. KKK/TBH were once famous for their defense, power and KKK's speed at the net. All that are still there in their game. But others have evolve and got better than them.. They need to buck up and forget that they were once a great pair. They just need to admit that they are now an ordinary pair.
in the match against CY/FHF and LYD/JJS, they gave up too easily and didnt look interested in fighting back at all..

I think they did ok in 2011. They beat Cai/Fu in the 2011 all england semi final 21-11 23-21 in straight sets and just lost in a close game to BoMo in the final. They lost in 3 games to Cai/Fu 19-21 21-19 19-21 in QF of JPN open and lost to JJS/LYD in a close 3 game match in China Masters.

It was just after that in 2012 their game started to decline tremendously, losing to Hong/Shen of Taipei, Bona/Ahsan, KOR 3rd ranked pair, and Pratama/Rian of INA later. They tried to up their game in this olympics but because they been down for so long, they had problems raising it again.