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    The problem with Koo Kean Kiat/Tan Boon Heong fans is this.

    You have great faith and hope on the pair on doing well, and support them "all the way," good or bad, win or lose.

    Other people, would rather support them based on metrics, staying power, mental strength; things that can been seen and observed.

    When you put the two together, you can't, because they're mutually exclusive, at the moment.

    So "the fans" look foolish to the realists, and the realists look unsupportive to "the fans."

    And when "the fans" like eaglehelang, azza...ipoh (too many 'z') try to defend based on metrics, like newspaper clippings, etc., it just doesn't work.

    -dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by wood_22_chuck View Post
    The problem with Koo Kean Kiat/Tan Boon Heong fans is this.

    You have great faith and hope on the pair on doing well, and support them "all the way," good or bad, win or lose.

    Other people, would rather support them based on metrics, staying power, mental strength; things that can been seen and observed.

    When you put the two together, you can't, because they're mutually exclusive, at the moment.

    So "the fans" look foolish to the realists, and the realists look unsupportive to "the fans."

    And when "the fans" like eaglehelang, azza...ipoh (too many 'z') try to defend based on metrics, like newspaper clippings, etc., it just doesn't work.

    -dave
    Excellent observations, I have never thought of that.

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    cai yun/fu hai feng also lost..
    second round...

    how about a thread "cai yun/fu hai feng..also going down the hill"?

    wait...no..people would say..

    no need..coz they lost in the second round...not like kkk/tbh...

    people cant stand to say sumthing about kk/tbh...but when it comes to other pairs..they would come out with excuses as why other pairs lost, despite being seeded 1 and lost to..who?

    huhu..
    c'mon...all these outstanding pairs are human..sumtimes they are up, sumtimes they are down...

    whether its kkk/tbh, or MK/HS or CY/FHF...when they lost..it is never fair to create a thread like this...

    people say a lot of things to kkk/tbh fans, and those people may be the fans of MK/Hs or CY/FHF...now that the same fate falls down to their favourite players' heads...they sure know how kkk/tbh fans feel...

    players could lose..and the loss could happen to just about everybody...even tony gunawan/chandra also lost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cute_tbh View Post
    cai yun/fu hai feng also lost..
    second round...

    how about a thread "cai yun/fu hai feng..also going down the hill"?

    wait...no..people would say..

    no need..coz they lost in the second round...not like kkk/tbh...

    people cant stand to say sumthing about kk/tbh...but when it comes to other pairs..they would come out with excuses as why other pairs lost, despite being seeded 1 and lost to..who?

    huhu..
    c'mon...all these outstanding pairs are human..sumtimes they are up, sumtimes they are down...

    whether its kkk/tbh, or MK/HS or CY/FHF...when they lost..it is never fair to create a thread like this...

    people say a lot of things to kkk/tbh fans, and those people may be the fans of MK/Hs or CY/FHF...now that the same fate falls down to their favourite players' heads...they sure know how kkk/tbh fans feel...

    players could lose..and the loss could happen to just about everybody...even tony gunawan/chandra also lost...
    You can't make the same case for Fu/Cai, because they've been performing well consistently, and same with Candra and Tony, you cannot make a fair comparison. Tony and Candra are semi-retired and do not practice together regularly. Whereas KKK/TBH practice regularly and are at their prime age.

    But it's true what you say though, they are only human and winning and losing is part of the game. A thread like this isn't a means of attacking anybody, its just speculation and discussion right now, nothing more than that.

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    ups and downs.. apparently, downs... OG '08.. UPS??? u never noe!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    As for Cai Yun & Fu Haifeng, they are still in the fray, aren't they?
    Let's wait until after 1745 GMT
    Oopsss...the World No 1 just lost to an Indonesian-born Hong Kong pair that they so regularly have beaten over the past few years. Now...this one is indeed shocking....

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    KKK & TBH still is malaysia olympiak gold metal hope, i still support them, they is my dream team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goh TW View Post
    KKK & TBH still is malaysia olympiak gold metal hope, i still support them, they is my dream team.
    gold metal??? hahahahaha.. u made it for fun o wad??

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBlade008 View Post
    You can't make the same case for Fu/Cai, because they've been performing well consistently
    How do u judge consistency?

    Since the World Championships 2007:

    Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- French and Korean Open titles and 7 losses
    -- SF losses in Macau (to Choong/Lee), Denmark (to Eriksen/Hansen), Hong Kong (to Kido/Hendra), Malaysia Opens (to Paaske/Rasmussen)
    -- R16 loss in Japan (to Paaske/Rasmussen) and All-England Opens (to Njoto/Wiratama)
    -- R32 loss in China Open (to Zakry/Fairuz)

    Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- China, Hong Kong, and Malaysia Opens titles and 6 losses
    -- SF losses in Japan (to Luluk/Alvent), Macau, and Denmark Opens (both to Koo/Tan)
    -- QF loss in French Open (to Choong/Lee)
    -- R16 loss in Korea Open (to Paaske/Rasmussen)
    -- R32 loss in All-England Open (to Ohtsuka/Masuda)

    Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- Macau and Denmark Opens titles and 6 losses
    -- QF loss in French (to Ohtsuka/Masuda) Hong Kong Open (to Tony/Candra)
    -- R16 loss in Japan (to Luluk/Alvent), China (to Tsai/Hu), Malaysia Opens (to Paaske/Rasmussen)
    -- R32 loss in All-England Open (to Sakamoto/Ikeda)

    All the 3 pairs have their share of losses in early rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick.h View Post
    maybe they're trying to get rexy fired?? jk jk...
    I dont think so, due rexy is a good coach.

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    well..maybe it's basically just an up n down moment..nothing so big about it.Even the legendary Rudi Hartono ever got lost in his prime time.No biggie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    How do u judge consistency?

    Since the World Championships 2007:

    Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- French and Korean Open titles and 7 losses
    -- SF losses in Macau (to Choong/Lee), Denmark (to Eriksen/Hansen), Hong Kong (to Kido/Hendra), Malaysia Opens (to Paaske/Rasmussen)
    -- R16 loss in Japan (to Paaske/Rasmussen) and All-England Opens (to Njoto/Wiratama)
    -- R32 loss in China Open (to Zakry/Fairuz)

    Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan -- China, Hong Kong, and Malaysia Opens titles and 6 losses
    -- SF losses in Japan (to Luluk/Alvent), Macau, and Denmark Opens (both to Koo/Tan)
    -- QF loss in French Open (to Choong/Lee)
    -- R16 loss in Korea Open (to Paaske/Rasmussen)
    -- R32 loss in All-England Open (to Ohtsuka/Masuda)

    Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- Macau and Denmark Opens titles and 6 losses
    -- QF loss in French (to Ohtsuka/Masuda) Hong Kong Open (to Tony/Candra)
    -- R16 loss in Japan (to Luluk/Alvent), China (to Tsai/Hu), Malaysia Opens (to Paaske/Rasmussen)
    -- R32 loss in All-England Open (to Sakamoto/Ikeda)

    All the 3 pairs have their share of losses in early rounds.

    somehow...i so agree with you..

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    It May Not Be An ''upset Or Shock'' The Japanese Pair Beat Kkk/tbh.they Did It In Last Wc Too.

    Tan Has Improved Alot Recently.and Koo Is Still Trying To Show-off His Skill When He Play In The Court.

    ''they R Still Young.they R Overrated.mk-hs Also Beat By The Japs.'' This Is Not The Excuse For Them To Lose.

    Hope The Downhill Of Tbh-kkk Is Not The Same As Mr.yoyo.or Maybe All England Champion Is A Curse For Msia Player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wood_22_chuck View Post
    So "the fans" look foolish to the realists, and the realists look unsupportive to "the fans."

    And when "the fans" like eaglehelang, azza...ipoh (too many 'z') try to defend based on metrics, like newspaper clippings, etc., it just doesn't work.

    -dave
    Yes this part I know, we "the fans" are often the ones being laughed at.
    And as I said many, many, many, times, in real life, we are the minority. . It takes guts to be the minority, being called idiots or dreamers by the majority, which constitutes about 80%.

    I have to saying this cos some non Msian BCers even think majority of Msian fans are blind supporters, in reality it is not so.

    It is easy to say "they're useless", etc, etc. It's easy to support when the players are winning, it is easy not to support when they keep losing - this is what has been said by the players & non Msians.
    I've frequently have had the embarassment of explaining to questioning non Msians why Msians dont support own players - effects my reputation too as a Msian.

    The metrics, like press reports or statistics are about the only things we small minions have to use. The funny thing is Indonesia fan like Badmania has started defending them too, lol.

    Fools or dreamers we may be called -if in real life the impossible has become possible, anything can happen.
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 03-06-2008 at 09:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Fools or dreamers we may be called -if in real life the impossible has become possible, anything can happen.
    Well...Hong Kong badminton fans must be scatching their head right now. Who on earth will even think of Albertus Susanto Njoto/Yohan Wiratama Hadikusumo (ranked at a lowly 18th spot in the WR table) ACTUALLY BEATING the World No 1 Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun...the pair which reputedly can only be beaten by Indonesian and Malaysian pairs. The HKG pair has such a dismal record against the World No 1 that it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to think of an upset, unlike the Japanese pairs (ranked 12th and 14th), who have shocked us before

    Oh...not to mention Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen, the 2 times All-England winners (I vaguely remember this pair is someone's favorite pair ) crashed out in the very first round too, to Tsai Chia-Hsin/Hu Chung-Hsien (ranked a lowly 22). This defeat must have be embarassing too, right?

    Chan Chi Choy (the HKG Head Coach) must be thinking: what on earth gets to my players this week....the one supposed to win ended up losing (Zhou Mi), and the ones we predict will lose ended up victorious (Yip Pui Yin and the Indonesian-born pair).

    Imagine if you are Li Yongbo and Chen Xingdong....both of your MD pairs lost in the early rounds....at least INA and MAS have 1 aging pair each.

    The fact is, we have seen some miracles happening this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunBlade008 View Post
    But it's true what you say though, they are only human and winning and losing is part of the game. A thread like this isn't a means of attacking anybody, its just speculation and discussion right now, nothing more than that.
    LOL, you havent seen previous posts that got locked when threads similar to this got started on KKK/TBH, he he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    LOL, you havent seen previous posts that got locked when threads similar to this got started on KKK/TBH, he he.
    Let's see...I predict a similar fate for this thread in the near future

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