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03-20-2008, 03:44 AM #1
Rules of play revised or not?!
Ive read through the forum, and on one occasion im almost 99% positive that Ive seen a few rules up for review or even changed. One im interested in particular is on serving. If someone could clarify these questions it would be really helpful.
1). If i serve and hit the body of the receivers partner, is this my point or his? Ive read the rules and it describes this as a fault, but it doesnt say who's? If going by the rules i know, it would be the servers point as the shuttle was touched.....but then what is stopping me aim at the receivers partner when he is unawares? Seems a pointless rule.
2). Since may 2006 have any rules actually been changed? Any links to anything more current would be helpful for my club.
3). I have a few people at the club I goto that serve in such away that its deemed illegal. They have been there long before me so its certainly not my place to say. How would you address the subject if the owner of the club hasnt done anything about it until now. I feel that the way these people serve doesnt necessarily give them any advantage, but it can get some very weird angles and is just annoying.
I THINK thats it.
03-20-2008, 07:59 AM #2
agree, if anyone have information about the current serve rule will be great.
i only know i think 4 but do correct me if im wrong
1. when you start doing the serve, you cannot stop to trick the opponent, it must be 1 whole movement
2. the highest point of the frame must be under the handle when you pull a horizontal line to them.
3. first contact must hit the head/cork. so hitting the feather first is illegal.
4. must be around waist area.
I find the most mistake is on number 2.
03-20-2008, 08:58 AM #3
Thanks corolla man, I understand these rules, its the points ive made where im a bit cloudy and would appriciate some input.
03-20-2008, 10:54 AM #4
If the receiver gets hit (any of the receivers if doubles), the server wins the point, just like if it would have been in normal play.
To add to ae86trueno, the shuttle must be hit under the lowest chest rib when serving.(dunno if chest rib is what you call it )
03-20-2008, 11:04 AM #5
I read this was being changed so that it was only a fault if it hits the raquet. I hope this will be the case eventually.
03-20-2008, 01:45 PM #6
if you hit the reciever on anypart of his/her body then yes you get the point and same in doubles if you hit either of them. Even if its their clothing of hair or shoe you still get the point, if the non reciever hits it back over the net in doubles you also get the point.
For rules that have changed there has been some modification to the service rules.
For the last one thats a tough one cause since they have been there longer they will defend their way alot more. Im actually not to sure i would try to let them know about it that it could be illegal and all that.
03-20-2008, 01:51 PM #7
03-20-2008, 04:52 PM #8
blundey, I don't get the point of the first question. Of course, when the shuttle hits your body, your side lose the point. What else could it be? If my side win a point when the shuttle hits our bodies, geez, I am going to chase after that shuttle to let it hit me every time
As for aiming at the receivers' partner, yes, of course, you do that and do it purposely. The point is not to hit them, but to make the return more difficult having to avoid hitting his partner. That is part of the game.
Now, illegal serve question is tougher one. I am lucky that all my friends serve well within the legal limit. I have done some research online and talking to an older (competitive) gentleman on this topic. It used to be strictly below the waist but now the rule seems to have relaxed even at the SS level. Look at some of pro serve, you can claim they are illegal also, yet the serving judges do not call them on it.
All in all, I would say don't let that bother you. Unless you are a pro and playing at a tournament (then call in the judge), I doubt it makes much different anyway. If it still bothers you, take it as a challenge to beat them EVEN they serve illegally.
03-20-2008, 06:06 PM #9
03-20-2008, 06:36 PM #10
03-20-2008, 08:53 PM #11
think thers bin a change in that rule. racket can now be almost horizontal.
03-21-2008, 01:25 AM #12
03-25-2008, 07:14 AM #13
In regards to the illegal serve. It wouldn't bother me so much, but his racket head is almost facing the ceiling! It allows for some seriously weird angles and flicking which are just annoying Im working onthe return, but they are awkward.
03-25-2008, 07:57 AM #14
03-30-2008, 01:37 PM #15
1. When in service the shuttle hits the receivers' partners' body, the point goes to the server ( Law 13.3.5). Where the server aims his service at is irrelevent.
2. There is only one service law that has been changed since 2006 and that is Law 9.1.6. This law deals with the angle the racket should have at the point of impact. In paraphase this law used to say that the shaft had to point downwards in such a way that the whole of the racket head was discernibly below the hand holding the racket.
Now the rule is that the shaft has to point in a downward direction at the point of impact and there is no longer any relation between angle and the position of the racket head. Basically this means that now flatter services are allowed.
3. There is no point making a big deal about faults which bring the other side no disadvantage, however you would certainly be witihin your rights to make a remak when you are playing such opponents. The position of the owner of the club in this case is of no consequence.
Your point 1 is partially correct. You may not stop after the forward movement has started. When you start with a backward movement it is allowed to stop before you start the forward movement, but only for a second or so. 9 (See law 9.1.1.)
Your point 2 used to be correct but no longer is. See point 2 of my answer to Blundey.
Your point 3 is correct
Yout point 4 is mor or less correct. At the point of impact the whiole of the shuttle has to be below the waist. For purposes of BAdminton Law the waist is defined as a line around the body level with the bottom of the right and left lower ribs. ( Law 9.1.5)
There are however also a few other criteria which you did not mention:
1. both sever and receiver must not unnecessarilly delay the excecution of the service. ( Law 9.1.1.)
2 Both the server and receiver must be witin the boundaries of there service box. The may not stand on or against the lines. ( See Law 9.1.2.)
3 Neither the server nor the receiver must have (part of) both feet on the ground until after the moment of impact. (See Law 9.1.3.)
You are right. A service can be almost horizontal now.
Most aspects of the service are easy to read. It is not the aim of the servicejudge to call every service which is a fault. The servicejudge aims to make sure that things do not get out of hand. The prevaling policy is to step in early to make he boundaries clear and after that we limmit ourselves to deal with excesses, especially towards the end of a game. In most cases this policy works very well.
03-31-2008, 06:27 AM #16
03-31-2008, 01:28 PM #17
The aim of this change was not to change a natural sequence of movement, but to indeed ban the trick as you mention it. A natural pause between the backward en forward movement is not intended to be seen as undue delay. Servers will not be called if there is no intention to mislead the opponent and are also not intended to be called. I agree wtih the rest of your statement.
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