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03-16-2008, 12:58 PM #18
like i said before..all that LYB care is to win gold medals..at all costs!!China Badminton Associatons might be proud to have him as a head coach..he leads chinese badminton to the top level..but when he uses everything to win,that brings more critics from both public n media.
03-16-2008, 06:48 PM #19
personally, i don't really think we can blame LYB, he is probably taking orders. like come on, he is human too. why wouldn't the head coach of the chinese national badminton team want to see his best players play their best against each other in the final of the all england championships??!?!?! doesn't make sense, something is up.
03-16-2008, 07:01 PM #20
Of course LYB is not solely responsible. But I don't think he is only passively "taking orders" either. He likes to boast about his team, saying his players are the world's best in every event and blah blah. This definitely encourage the officials to put more pressure on him -- since his players are so strong and the previous losses are due to things like bad wind, bad line judge, etc., it's reasonable to require him to bring home 5 golds since the stadium in OG 08 is perfect and there cannot be any line judge problems.
03-16-2008, 07:08 PM #21
03-16-2008, 07:25 PM #22
A business man's job is to make money. If one business man told his supervisor he can make one million in a year but in fact he can only guarantee 900,000, does that mean he should rob or cheat to get the remaining 100,000 and ppl should not criticize him? I don't think so.
In fact, it's interesting to compare LYB's comments and TSF's comments when LD lost. After LD lost to PSH, TSF (in charge of LD at that time. LYB asked him to help) commented that LD is in form, but he lost because PSH played very well. Did we ever hear LYB say similar things? No. He is even reluctant to admit that his players are not in form. Most of the times it's the stadium or audience or wind blahblah.
So LYB wants ppl to view his team as invincible. Thus it's only reasonable that his team is indeed required to be invincible and bring 5 golds home.
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03-16-2008, 07:55 PM #23
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03-16-2008, 08:10 PM #24
03-16-2008, 08:11 PM #25
Maybe LYB is a strategist, not an entertainer. He is more of a leader than a popular hero, and in that role of course he has made many enemies. But at the end of the day, what matters is the silverware (gold medals and honour) you bring to your country.
03-16-2008, 08:57 PM #26
It seems to me that LYB is looking out for the best interest of his country and his team over the spirit of the Olympics, the badminton world, and complete fairness to other players. I am not saying that is right, but at least, I can understand why he does what he does.
03-16-2008, 09:02 PM #27
The word match fixing itself has a lot to say. Of course is hard to stop unless everyone has the same standard value of what is right and wrong.
In the case of what LYB (not sure is him ), everyone know it is wrong in some degree. But and if are the reasons for justifying the deed.
In my opinion, someone has forgot that it is entertainment. In LYB case, he is not saving the country from any disaster or shame by doing so but in contrary he might do damage to the nation image.
03-16-2008, 09:12 PM #28
I tend to respect countries over fair play than their medal collection. If it comes along with a bad image (and it does), I hardly think it's doing much for China. It's also completely unfair to the players in China. Either they have to simply give up a tournament without a fight. A totally wasted opportunity... Or they get an easy win. And if that win is in the finals, I hardly think they'll look back at that tournament and think "I really did deserve that gold!".
It's like "professional wrestling" (whatever it's called). Some of the matches are just an act. Who would want to win a tournament in such a situation if it's really no different than being the so called "heavyweight champion of the world!!"... (if you ignore the previous matches of course ).
03-16-2008, 09:24 PM #29
03-16-2008, 09:50 PM #30
Please read my post again. Do you think ppl should not criticize them? My point is, you cannot say, I have such pressure blahblah and then walk away critic-free with the money.
What I am against is this: some ppl said because LYB has such pressure therefore we as badminton fans should not criticize what he did.
03-17-2008, 06:33 AM #31
Well, there is a high probability China will get most of the gold medals.
1) LYB and match fixing
2) Beijing and local line judges.... unless there will be independent line judges...
03-17-2008, 02:35 PM #32
A bit off topic-WWE??..
A bit different than in badminton. When there are some "match fixing issues/complaints/suspicions", in any badminton matches, people will come, debate even condemn whether it's ethical or sportsmanlike to do so or not?..
03-17-2008, 02:52 PM #33
If LYB is successful in his alleged 'fixing' results from the SS, and got his OG seeding wish order, there is low incentive to fix the games in the OG. If lyb can influence the line judges and playing around with match fixing at the OG, lyb wont be doing his alleged diry deeds in the SS. Again, the joe pubic usually guess wrong of what is gonna to happen
03-17-2008, 03:21 PM #34
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