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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    I would say in terms of performance wise, LCW is more consistent than KKK.

    But both shuttlers are weak when it comes to conduct off-court. I mean both shuttlers must know that they are national badminton players. In short they are pro sportsmen. It pains me to see LCW doing some political road show during the 12 General Elections i.e. playing badminton and all with Ling Hee Liong. Like last year's Machap by election, our shuttlers were taken for some road show by politicians to boost their election drive. This is a no, no as I believe being pro shuttlers they should just concentrate on their training and rest after their workouts.

    Unfortunately, Ling Hee Liong got trounced in Gopeng.
    u r funny Pemuda....but i would agree with you. Let politics n sports be seperated, tho difficult to achieve...at least, the Rakyat know...

    However, it is ok to play wf politicians during the free time, but not during election time, don't u think, the politicians r using them as a 'tool' to attract more voters???? I m really sick with this.

    Sorry, mods, off topic, but i got to say this out. Close.

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    Pemuda didn't go off-topic (geez, the sky must be raining red soon!) with his comments regarding the election thingy because he's right - the players should remember that they represent the nation in an international badminton circuit - their job first and foremost is to play badminton.

    Are they registered members of said political outfit? If so, then the argument can't be used because it's part of their duty as members, regardless of what they do for a living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    You are spot on about LCW losing to a better LD. However, the point is LCW may have had a better chance against LD had he been more focused.
    this is correct. so far, as for now, LCW is the challenger to LD. others are a bit more behind.

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    When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

    i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
    But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
    Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuttlekok View Post
    There is a difference between LCW and KKK.

    At the very least, LCW has been consistent in his performance. He got to
    at least the last 8 or so during the last few SS.

    But KKK? 1st round or 2nd round and there he goes out of the tournament.
    Well, one would say can't blame KKK alone... coz he plays doubles. Yes, true!
    But then again, he is the one who seems to be not performing among the
    pair...
    Yeah..consistency is lcw.
    But the u forgot to highlighted the drastic triumphs experienced by this kkk.
    N all the drastic popularity hes going through.U cant expect him to experience the same thing like what lcw have.They are not the same.

    kkk has once became our sweetheart.But he keep dissapointing lately.
    What the fans need to do?Support.
    Im quite happy with pemuda recently.He seems...Nicer?Appreciate that brother.

    Hes not performing lately.True.But will he bounce back?undefined.
    we will found out later.
    For the moment,in my opinion,only kkk can save himself.Not us.
    bad fans or lovely fans.Both cant give huge impact.
    The answer is on kkk himself.
    But like what kkk said,the supportive fans is slightly better.

    sorry.Off topic.But comparing is something inappropriate.
    N thanks for ur nice words shuttlekok.U are entitled of ur opinion.
    N doing ur voice out in manners is something i should remark.
    Last edited by koo_fan; 03-18-2008 at 01:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zqloy View Post
    The strong drift was behind him in the 1st set, he should hv attacked more instead of lifting the shuttle, it was long for a dozen of times and giving away cheap points..... I wonder whats going on with his mind...
    If he is able to keep the points in play, it might be a much closer match.
    LD was smarter in that sense, he attacked more in the 2nd set when the drift was behind him.
    Good point.That is simple court sense and intelligence.CHN is very sharp on these little details because it can generate cheap points, with minimum effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    misbun is lcw's professor, NOT MORTEN FROSTlololol

    what morten said HAS NO WEIGHTING LAH ROFLOL
    Part of LCW's problem may be having Misbun as the Tournament Coach.Misbun is saying LCW needs to get into rhythm to play well and LCW is believing it.MF is expecting LCW to stage his CC smashes pretty early.(And he can.In AE MSF, under pressure to save 5 match points,he managed to set up 2 consecutive smash winners,as if by magic.)
    Misbun is definitely great as a Training Coach.But it won't hurt to hire MF as a guest coach for just one tournament (hopefully SPO08!).MF did that for Tine R. in JO07 and once is all that's needed to just trigger off some breakthrough ideas.
    As an example, in tennis, Djokovic has one coach but the coach was smart enough to realise that he can benefit more from having a short term guidance from John McEnroe on netplay.That catalyst probably helped him to create a record of beating the top 3 seeds in a row in winning the Montreal Open.And he took out Federer in straight 3 in the Australian Open.(But of course, Federer was suffering from mononucleisis?)
    I'm pretty confident Misbun will be just as smart to welcome and test out a different tournament approach.

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    You mean like wait for Lin Dan to contract mononucleosis?

    -dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

    i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
    But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
    Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?
    Ok, let me put it in simple recent terms for you.

    Take the recent AE & SO. LD made the final for both events. LCW how?

    Have a nice day .... and yes Malaysia Boleh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyang View Post
    are sure about this?
    talk about FIRST...is LD first.
    LD beat LCW in 2005 HongKong Open Semi-final.
    Quote Originally Posted by xymaerts View Post
    Thanks for reminding...At that time year 2005 LCW is still not on par with LD yet.. The head to head count should start from 2007 on ward...As this is the time that LD started to pay respect to LCW
    it is biased if we only count the H2H start from 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Actually 4, if LD had turned up for MO, the 1st SS!!!
    no, I'm not saying like that. and I don't agree with that statement.
    at that time, LD haven't enough preparation for MO, it means he was not ready to compete. that's why he can't win MO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    When lin dan lost to lcw,why he is not bashed by ppls as bad as lcw?

    i know the record is about 3 won by lcw and about 8 won by lin dan.
    But when lin dan lost,no big deal.he played well.Just that....etc etc.
    Lcw's lost is a big issue eh?
    if i'm not wrong, LCW win 4 times.
    MO 05 & 06
    SC 07
    JO 07

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    When my fellow "Msia Boleh fellowships" learn to accept that LD is a better player than our LCW??? That's the fact though disheartening

    We should be proud to have LCW as our countryman. Look at other badminton powerhouse such as Korea and Denmark, none of their top players could match our LCW. So, we must be contented

    Msia Boleh!!!!!!! LCW Boleh!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston_T View Post
    no, I'm not saying like that. and I don't agree with that statement.
    at that time, LD haven't enough preparation for MO, it means he was not ready to compete. that's why he can't win MO.
    If you do live in China....you should know why LD did not go to MO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball View Post
    So sportsmen don't have private lives ? What about the sportsmen in the US who also do campaigning for their politicians ? LCW's loss has nothing to do with his campaigning -- he lost to better players on the day.
    Stimes what they dont understand is that the invitations go thru BAM. In last year's bi-lection in Machap, it was BAM who asked KKK/TBH, CTF/LWW to go. And..... CTF/LWW won the ABC tourney held aft that political event.

    So, it doesnt effect their performance per se but cos Rexy didnt like his players being used by politicians...and so that it wouldnt become a routine accorrance, Rexy made noise.
    And in case some here dont know, thereafter, the politicians did not ask MD players to go for such events anymore.

    LCW, I'm not too sure about the details but I agree his loss not related to political campaigning. Just some here dont like players being used as political mileage.

    And stated in the other thread, LCW, KKK/TBH did go for the charity event organised a few days bf AE, Rexy agreed to the event, seems to know the organiser quite well from what the organiser said. Should they stay away too since it might effect their performance? It's about balance.

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    Dear all,

    Here's some statistic regarding 2007 performance (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei):

    Lin Dan - 2007 Performance
    Played 13 tournaments, reached 7 finals ( 53.8% success rate)
    Won 7 Gold medals ( 1 x World Champ; 5 x SS; 1 x GP)
    Lost to 5 person: Park Sung Hwan (x2); Simon Santoso; Boonsak Ponsana; Lee Chong Wei; Bao Chun Lai

    Lee Chong Wei - 2007 Performance
    Played 16 tournaments, reached 6 finals (37.5% success rate)
    Won 4 Gold medals ( 3 x SS; 1 x GP ) and 2 Silver medals (2 x SS)
    Lost to 9 different person: Bao Chun Lai (x3); Lin Dan (x2); Taufik Hidayat, Chen Jin, Chen Yu, Ronald Susilo; Hafiz Hashim, Simon Santoso, Sony Dwi Kuncoro


    Based on the above, Lee Chong Wei is still not on par with Lin Dan, performance-wise; however, I agree that Lee is technically on par with Lin now.

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    U had go too far my friend.. You are right IF and only IF our TOPIC is YEAR 2007 achievement for LCW & LD is it on par? In term of medal collection, how many finals they had reach and.. etc...

    What we are discussing here is LCW & LD level of play is now on par.. No such thing as LD is better or a class higher then LCW..

    In Year 2007, LD had lost twice to LCW in Sudirman Cup & Japan Open semi-final, LD won back in Hong Kong Open & Swiss Open 2008.. Someone pls correct me if i am wrong..

    Quote Originally Posted by badssp07 View Post
    Dear all,

    Here's some statistic regarding 2007 performance (Lin Dan vs Lee Chong Wei):

    Lin Dan - 2007 Performance
    Played 13 tournaments, reached 7 finals ( 53.8% success rate)
    Won 7 Gold medals ( 1 x World Champ; 5 x SS; 1 x GP)
    Lost to 5 person: Park Sung Hwan (x2); Simon Santoso; Boonsak Ponsana; Lee Chong Wei; Bao Chun Lai

    Lee Chong Wei - 2007 Performance
    Played 16 tournaments, reached 6 finals (37.5% success rate)
    Won 4 Gold medals ( 3 x SS; 1 x GP ) and 2 Silver medals (2 x SS)
    Lost to 9 different person: Bao Chun Lai (x3); Lin Dan (x2); Taufik Hidayat, Chen Jin, Chen Yu, Ronald Susilo; Hafiz Hashim, Simon Santoso, Sony Dwi Kuncoro


    Based on the above, Lee Chong Wei is still not on par with Lin Dan, performance-wise; however, I agree that Lee is technically on par with Lin now.

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