Swiss Open 2008: LCW lost to himself !

**X Ball** · 03-20-2008, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by xsakurax

haiz poor lcw......whenever he win or lose there are always criticism...no wonder he cannot play in peace.......he already tried his best but sometime things will not work as what we plan...
easy for us to say that he should do this and that or he should not do this and bla bla bla but things are not as simple as what we think it is...
Just let LCW plays his game..he and his coach know what to do =____________='''

Yeah I know what you mean -- there are too many back-seat drivers here.

**koo_fan** · 03-20-2008, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by xsakurax

haiz poor lcw......whenever he win or lose there are always criticism...no wonder he cannot play in peace.......he already tried his best but sometime things will not work as what we plan...
easy for us to say that he should do this and that or he should not do this and bla bla bla but things are not as simple as what we think it is...
Just let LCW plays his game..he and his coach know what to do =____________='''

What to do,sis.
We are talking about malaysians here.

**eaglehelang** · 03-20-2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

1) So, if your boss ask you do something which is out of your job scope, you will go along???

For example, if your boss ask you to go and help out his uncle's restaurant on the weekends, you will get all excited and go "yes siree, it will be my honour and all"? Well, I guess there are brown nosers in every organization. Anyway, all the best with your sucking up.

As for the being fired part, suggest you read up & understand our Msian labour law, seriously.

2) .........As for your query on which event I was refering about in regards to LCW, please la read my posting. I said him playing badminton with Ling Hee Liong during the 12GE campaign. Easy enough for you??

3) Bottom line, our shuttlers need to ask themselves a serious question. Do they want to win that AE & SO and that Olympic gold?? If yes, they should have put in 100% effort and concentrate solely on training and resting. What others do are their business. What you are saying is that TH , Cai Yun & China players etc etc are doing this promo and everything. That is their problem. Maybe TH who have won that WC and OG while Cai Yun, the WC ... maybe they think they can relax a little. BUT for our shuttlers, we have NOT WON that Olympic gold.

Thats the difference.

1) This one's even funnier, clearly you look at it too hmm direct.
If last minute, your boss ask you to help & go somewhere for some promo, then you just go, one time. Where got time to ask & argue, etc? If say "outside job scope" ,depend on defination, boss can say "it's for promoting badminton", the players also attend certain activities to promote badminton.

Or to use your example : Very easy, Boss can say "Go to my uncle's restaurant & promote our products", and if promoting company products is within job scope,then of course must go. The management can ask a staff to do "any other tasks related to XXX company as determined by the management", that's in most appointment letters.
But read - doing for the company NOT uncle's restaurant.
If that one time, go & it turns out to be sthing else, I'll scold my boss, I dont suck up either.

It's just you make it sound like the players have more power over BAM than BAM has over them

AGAIN : the incident was never repeated, CTF/LWW were not affected, they won ABC. Let me clarify again : I dont like our players being used by politicians either.

LCW :
Well......Your post before that was :
"As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments" - the post before this, I mentioned 2 events, so was wondering.
Maybe you forgot the England charity event was held on a Sunday before AE 2008, also "prior to 2 major events". That according to timeline is even closer to AE, if want to say distraction, even more so than the political event.
Rexy agreed to the charity one but last year made noise about the political one. Rexy & Misbun even went with LCW, KKK/TBH. And Taufik did NOT go for this particular event, supposedly to focus on AE, Taufik still lost to LCW.

You have great respect for China's methods - their BA have arranged such promos etc BEFORE LD or Cai Yun won any major titles, it's a continious thing, all the while. Some of the product promo is not related to baddy, could be their sponsors. And China BA is particular about getting good results too, you know very well, they dont ever "relax a bit".

In real life, concentrating solely on training & resting does not guarantee gold or good results, neither does attending a few events affect their performance.
LCW trains extra from 6.30 am to 8 am every training day, on top of his usual schedule. He stimes trains on Sundays also, 7 days a week, non stop. Stimes other events (non political ones) is a respite to the stress of competition.

It's just that the way you make it sound, as if it's all the players fault whereas it's not always within their control.
We end it here...........

**wilfredlgf** · 03-20-2008, 09:25 AM

Anybody else thought that things had been over-analysed and over-complicated?

**xsakurax** · 03-20-2008, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by koo_fan

What to do,sis.
We are talking about malaysians here.

hehe it sound funny when u call me sis

p/s wilfredlgf i agree with u =___=''

**Dreamzz** · 03-20-2008, 09:47 AM

12 pages?
over-analysed?
we have a ways to go yet, my friend ...

**Pemuda** · 03-20-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by eaglehelang

1) This one's even funnier, clearly you look at it too hmm direct.
If last minute, your boss ask you to help & go somewhere for some promo, then you just go, one time. Where got time to ask & argue, etc? If say "outside job scope" ,depend on defination, boss can say "it's for promoting badminton", the players also attend certain activities to promote badminton.

Even a 7 year old child will be able to understand that when our shuttlers went to Machap and playing doubles with Ling Hee Liong during the by election 07 and 12 GE 08 period it has got nothing to do with promoting badminton.

As for you and your boss thingy, I will say it again; all the best in sucking up. Brown nosers will do anything to move up that ladder, so no worries I can understand.

Or to use your example : Very easy, Boss can say "Go to my uncle's restaurant & promote our products", and if promoting company products is within job scope,then of course must go. The management can ask a staff to do "any other tasks related to XXX company as determined by the management", that's in most appointment letters.
But read - doing for the company NOT uncle's restaurant.
If that one time, go & it turns out to be sthing else, I'll scold my boss, I dont suck up either.

Well, in that case, I hope you enjoy helping out your boss in whatever his side ventures be. After all, it is about 'promoting company products' and all.

It's just you make it sound like the players have more power over BAM than BAM has over them

AGAIN : the incident was never repeated, CTF/LWW were not affected, they won ABC. Let me clarify again : I dont like our players being used by politicians either.

And since they won that ABC, you think such activities should be encouraged???

LCW :
Well......Your post before that was :
"As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments" - the post before this, I mentioned 2 events, so was wondering.
Maybe you forgot the England charity event was held on a Sunday before AE 2008, also "prior to 2 major events". That according to timeline is even closer to AE, if want to say distraction, even more so than the political event.
Rexy agreed to the charity one but last year made noise about the political one. Rexy & Misbun even went with LCW, KKK/TBH. And Taufik did NOT go for this particular event, supposedly to focus on AE, Taufik still lost to LCW.

Am not refering to that charity event in England. 2 major tournaments means AE & SO!

You have great respect for China's methods - their BA have arranged such promos etc BEFORE LD or Cai Yun won any major titles, it's a continious thing, all the while. Some of the product promo is not related to baddy, could be their sponsors. And China BA is particular about getting good results too, you know very well, they dont ever "relax a bit".

Look at our trophy cabinet and then look at China's. Who is more successful?

In real life, concentrating solely on training & resting does not guarantee gold or good results, neither does attending a few events affect their performance.
LCW trains extra from 6.30 am to 8 am every training day, on top of his usual schedule. He stimes trains on Sundays also, 7 days a week, non stop. Stimes other events (non political ones) is a respite to the stress of competition.

Sure, it does not guarantee anything. BUT it will at least put our shuttlers in a better condition and with that a better chance in having a crack.

It's just that the way you make it sound, as if it's all the players fault whereas it's not always within their control.
We end it here...........

Thats the problem with Malaysian sports in general.

**koo_fan** · 03-21-2008, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by wilfredlgf

Anybody else thought that things had been over-analysed and over-complicated?

Hey..hey..
can i be ur ally brother?

**Pemuda** · 03-21-2008, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by Pete LSD

There is always hope.

Shall we all sit in a circle, close our eyes, cross our fingers and HOPE?

**azabaz_ipoh** · 03-21-2008, 04:30 AM

what do you suggest we, as a fan, do pemuda?

**Pemuda** · 03-21-2008, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by azabaz_ipoh

what do you suggest we, as a fan, do pemuda?

Imagine, BAM or NSC for that matter, without fans support what will happen to the game?? What will sponsors do when fans abandon the game? In the NSC or Sports Ministry, who installed the current idiots?

**eaglehelang** · 03-21-2008, 05:33 AM

Let me clarify again : I dont like our players being used by politicians either.

And since they won that ABC, you think such activities should be encouraged???
Already stated in sentence bf that - No, politicians taking advantage of players me no like, it also never happened again to doubles players.

LCW :
Well......Your post before that was :
"As for LCW, you are saying it is ok to have such distractions prior to 2 major tournaments" -
Am not refering to that charity event in England. 2 major tournaments means AE & SO!
Precisely what I meant too. The charity event was held 3 days before AE started, also very close to AE & SO. You did say distractions, this event was even closer to AE.
Rexy & Misbun also agreed & went with the players to England earlier for it. Rexy is one (you also respect his abilities) who also wants players to focus but he agreed to an event so close to AE.

It's about balance, same with China & their promo arrangements

Anyway, I did suggest before, 'young man' , if you really feel strongly
about it, perhaps use some of the boundless energy young men have, make a complaint to the press or BAM or NSC abt the "LCW gracing political event" thingy & other stuff that irks you. Some ppl might just take notice; here, only lowly fans notice

**Pemuda** · 03-21-2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by eaglehelang

Already stated in sentence bf that - No, politicians taking advantage of players me no like, it also never happened again to doubles players.

If you dont like our shuttlers being used by politicians, then dont use one example as a brush to paint the entire picture with your "CTF/LWW were not affected, they won ABC"

And please dont look at things with a narrow vision i.e "it also never happened again to doubles players" because LCW was used as a pawn by Ling Hee Liong for his personal campaign during the 12GE just prior to AE & SO!! Your it also never happened again to doubles players statement showed how shallow you are.

Precisely what I meant too. The charity event was held 3 days before AE started, also very close to AE & SO. You did say distractions, this event was even closer to AE.
Rexy & Misbun also agreed & went with the players to England earlier for it. Rexy is one (you also respect his abilities) who also wants players to focus but he agreed to an event so close to AE.

Did Rexy & Misbun approved that Ling Hee Liong's charade?? Go figure out, ok?

It's about balance, same with China & their promo arrangements

Balance??? Atttending Ling Hee Liong's campaign, you call attending some politician's election show balance???

You wanna compare us with China??? Do you know how many Olympic gold medals, WCs, AEs, Thomas & Uber cups and etc China have in their trophy cabinet??

Anyway, I did suggest before, 'young man' , if you really feel strongly
about it, perhaps use some of the boundless energy young men have, make a complaint to the press or BAM or NSC abt the "LCW gracing political event" thingy & other stuff that irks you. Some ppl might just take notice; here, only lowly fans notice

Young man?? My dear, let me tell you something; I may be younger than you and all BUT please be noted that I dont need to tell you what I have done or going to do.

Hope things are clear enough for you.

***Oldhand*** · 03-21-2008, 10:28 AM

The 2008 Swiss Open is now quite some distance behind us.
If you'd like to discuss Lee Chong Wei's loss, please continue.

If you want to discuss other issues, do open another thread

***drifit*** · 03-21-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Oldhand

The 2008 Swiss Open is now quite some distance behind us.
If you'd like to discuss Lee Chong Wei's loss, please continue.

If you want to discuss other issues, do open another thread

guess that nothing much or any else to discuss further though...

**Pemuda** · 03-21-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by drifit

guess that nothing much or any else to discuss further though...

You reminds me of the days of Imperial China. Where the Emperor goes, there are a retinue of eunuchs tagging along

**azabaz_ipoh** · 03-21-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

Imagine, BAM or NSC for that matter, without fans support what will happen to the game?? What will sponsors do when fans abandon the game? In the NSC or Sports Ministry, who installed the current idiots?

so, what are you really suggesting? boycott all badminton tournaments in malaysia? dont watch badminton even when it is aired on tv? dont send your children to learn badminton? because if there are no fans, not only the BAM or the NSC that will feel the burn, the players and their family will also get neglected and lose hope for a future in badminton. and when there are no players, there is no badminton in malaysia.

talking about the installation of the current idiots, are you suggesting that we change the people who installed the current idiots? politicians are mostly idiots who, when in power, always tend to abuse it. give me one name of a politician who never ever abuse power in his entire time as a leader. every leader surrounds himself with people who supports him.

so what else can we do? should we do an open petition to the BAM and the NSC and fans. how about you start one. i will support you. raise our voice a little. write to newspapers. bring banners to tournaments to tell them our concerns. liverpool fans did that to protest the intervention of the american investor. they did not however, boycott the game because that will hurt the morale of the players.