Swiss Open 2008: LCW lost to himself !

**MSN04** · 03-16-2008, 03:03 PM

Most of the time, player make mistake(s) b/c of the oppenent. If you go up and play against him, I bet 10/10 he won't make too much mistakes.

Oh... I am more a LCW fan, but a loss is a loss...

**rwijaja** · 03-16-2008, 03:56 PM

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free

LD: come to china some time...

**Dreamzz** · 03-16-2008, 04:02 PM

haha, what's with the gunslinger style stance for both of them?

**jack200603** · 03-16-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by rwijaja

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free

LD: come to china some time...

Funny picture and interesting conversation!

This remind me that LCW's biggest weakness is the leave of Li Mao?

**Loopy** · 03-16-2008, 05:40 PM

Doctored image.....

**rwijaja** · 03-16-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Loopy

Doctored image.....

loopy you funny one...

No match fixing here ...

check out yourself
http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/p/2008-0...53536086.shtml

**Wong8Egg** · 03-16-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by ye333

Sure it is.

However, let me give you a counter-example. CJ vs. LCW in AE08. CJ looked a bit reluctant and didn't do well in most of the 1st game -- maybe due to their previous head to head. But then he thought, what the hell, I would just fight and do whatever I could. We all know that happened after that.

So the point is, LCW should let LD's shots, instead of his fame, to force him to commit errors.

Funny to see a "LCW lost to himself"(as many Malaysian Fans called LCW lost himself in the game with CJ) example is use to counter/excuse another "LCW lost to himself" thread.

**singhzico** · 03-16-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dreamzz

haha, what's with the gunslinger style stance for both of them?

Tell me about it

**PaulYong** · 03-16-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by jack200603

Funny picture and interesting conversation!

This remind me that LCW's biggest weakness is the leave of Li Mao?

No coaches should be blamed for the failures of the players. They have trained them to their best of ability and it's up to the players to apply their techniques in court. Most of our players are inconsistent. They can lose even to the lower ranking players cudring their off days.

**cooler** · 03-16-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by rwijaja

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free

LD: come to china some time...

LOL, good one. Let me try one caption of mine.
hmmm, let see.....*scratch head*

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: Oh? you like the smell?
LCW: No lah, I mean I'm soaking wet and you look so dry...
LD: Ahh, Secret is my secret. I borrowed it from XXF. They say it's strong enough for the guys.

**zqloy** · 03-16-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by ye333

In fact KJ didn't do well in that match. Morten also commented that KJ didn't seem to be confident.

To me, KJ seemed scared by LD before the match started. He assumed from the start that LD was too good to be beaten by usual shots. When one player is dominated by that kind of thinking, basically he's gonna lose. KJ made himself under double-pressure: the pressure from LD's shots and the pressure from the formidable LD in KJ's mind.

LCW may have the same problem. I haven't watched the match, but according to some ppl's description, it seems LCW was thinking too much from the start. He committed many mistakes even before LD pressured him to do so.

Dont think LCW is scared while facing LD, just that his brains cant seem to work properly in crucial situations. Wrong strategy in the 1st game, although nice try in the 2nd, but still stumble in crucial situations.

**sjoe** · 03-16-2008, 08:08 PM

I alway think that LCW is not up to LD level yet. But many of us like or want to belief otherwise. This gives pressure to LCW and disappointment for all fans.
LCW, Chen Jin, Bao, Taufik are one level or half or slightly lower than LD currently.

**X Ball** · 03-16-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Birdwood

I totally agree with your post here. This is the right direction and approach that all BCers should follow: there should be no attack and insult to people, including BCers, players, and coaches, based on their preference, alliance, nationality, race, gender, origin, etc. BCers doing so deserve to be banned.

Additional approaches might be helpful:

When criticizing players and coaches, please do it constructively and try to do it to your own players and coaches, instead of to the opponents to whom you don't even support to avoid the appearance of being biased, degrading or bashing, which will certainly bring out sharp defense from the other side.

For criticism in a general nature that has been aired frequently in the forum, BCers should look for solutions to fix the problems instead. There is little value added by repeating the same criticism in BC over and over.

Yes, I like to see action from the administration if someone does not follow this rule since Kwun thinks it is well said. Often, I have to defend our own players and coaches from BC'ers who do it out of bias to spite other nationalities - why do I have to do that if the administration is not taking action. And retaliation becomes inevitable.

**ye333** · 03-16-2008, 08:47 PM

Can you explain a bit what strategy did LCW use in the 1st set and why is it wrong? Thanks!

Originally Posted by zqloy

Dont think LCW is scared while facing LD, just that his brains cant seem to work properly in crucial situations. Wrong strategy in the 1st game, although nice try in the 2nd, but still stumble in crucial situations.

**xXazn_romeoXx** · 03-16-2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by rwijaja

LCW: So what's your secret?
LD: what? of beating you?
LCW: No lah... of throwing racket at Li Mao and walk away scotch free

LD: come to china some time...

OMG their shirts are soooo cool ahaha, makes me wonder about the possibilities of the new yonex line lol...but i think LCW was asking more about why LD's shots were more in than his

LCW: IF only i hit inside more! IF only i was thinking better! IF only i was you! But...
LD: But What?
LCW: Chicken Butt

LD: Why?
LCW: Chicken Thigh

but seriously, i think LD's training regiment is showing great results, LCW must learn to cope with his judgements and start to train mentally...at this level, no professional should have mental lapses such as these, BUT, we're all human, so there's no real reason we should delve deeper into that...i just think LCW should train even harder and move on...every match with LD is more experience that he can use to beat him with

**eaglehelang** · 03-16-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by jack200603

Funny picture and interesting conversation!

This remind me that LCW's biggest weakness is the leave of Li Mao?

On this point, LCW actually improved since he went back to be under Misbun. He ended his title drought under Misbun & analyists (including ex pro baddy players) said Misbun cool & calm personality suited LCW better .
It doesnt discount LM's good points, LCW got to learn China's ways of training under LM.

**ye333** · 03-16-2008, 09:00 PM

Let me make my point clearer.

LCW was indeed "not himself" when playing CJ (you can listen to Morten Frost's commentation, he said LCW is just like 60% compared to when he played TH; Also Jamesd20 has a great analysis of LCW's problem). But my point is, if CJ did not forget about his bad head to head and did not choose to simply fight without thinking too much about winning, he would never be able to take advantage of this fact.

In KJ's case, because KJ lacked confidence from the very start, he was even unable to force LD to show his true form. Same goes with Sairul. I think he had the chance to force LD to hit the "turbo" button, but he collapsed too early and simply gave the game to LD.

Originally Posted by Wong8Egg

Funny to see a "LCW lost to himself"(as many Malaysian Fans called LCW lost himself in the game with CJ) example is use to counter/excuse another "LCW lost to himself" thread.