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    any extra long? D600's, w10's, w11's...or also 'standard' 675mm?
    what are you doing to those poor rackets...

    Never had that problem so far.. Though that w9A I have feels more flexible than it was when I first picked it up .. breaking it is another thing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby View Post
    any extra long? D600's, w10's, w11's...or also 'standard' 675mm? what are you doing to those poor rackets...
    Any 675s or longer with a long shaft.

    I asked Halim (Haryanto Ho) the same question, "Halim, why do I break so many rackets and how can I avoid it?"

    His reply was, "Dan, too much [panda ] power. No racket is going to last you."

    I have consulted with other coaches and the conclusion was unanimous, that I am not optimizing the transfer of power I generate into the shuttle. As a result, it's taken out on the racket. The reason why pros don't break rackets like I do is because they are much more efficient at transferring power. Once I learn to transfer the power more effectively, I'll break less rackets and hit harder.

    This is already starting to work as I'm breaking half as many rackets as before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Any 675s or longer with a long shaft.

    I asked Halim (Haryanto Ho) the same question, "Halim, why do I break so many rackets and how can I avoid it?"

    His reply was, "Dan, too much [panda ] power. No racket is going to last you."

    I have consulted with other coaches and the conclusion was unanimous, that I am not optimizing the transfer of power I generate into the shuttle. As a result, it's taken out on the racket. The reason why pros don't break rackets like I do is because they are much more efficient at transferring power. Once I learn to transfer the power more effectively, I'll break less rackets and hit harder.

    This is already starting to work as I'm breaking half as many rackets as before.
    ...that can't be...

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    A question for the panda:

    My racquets were re-strung yesterday.
    I chose Yonex BG-65Ti (which, like the Ashaway Micro Power, is 0.70mm).
    All the racquets were strung at 27 lbs.

    While playing your video, I tested my Ti-10 racquets.
    Surprisingly, my 27 lbs sounds exactly like your 29/30
    Worse, your racquets have been used for a while after stringing.
    Mine haven't!

    Given that the gauge is the same, why would this happen?
    Could it be that my stringer has wrongly calibrated his machine?

    I'm beginning to WorryALot!

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    so, if your stringers equipment is calibrated, your tension should drop about 2-3lbs after a session or two...

    pretty plausible if you ask me.. Freshly strung sounds tighter than slightly used...

    play with them once, then recheck, it's probably of by 1lbs or so..nothing to worry about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby View Post
    Freshly strung sounds tighter than slightly used...
    Yep, that should be it.
    I shoulda thought about that

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    Instead of saying high pitch, it does not really mean much. For us who know music, please list the "note", it is much more meaningful for reference for tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Yep, that should be it.
    I shoulda thought about that
    Also, Yonex's Ti coating adds to the higher pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby View Post
    ...that can't be...
    are you fearing for the time-space continuum? that it might just rip and twirl around in a birdie, smashed into nonexistence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Instead of saying high pitch, it does not really mean much. For us who know music, please list the "note", it is much more meaningful for reference for tension.
    Wouldn't note would be the general term and pitch be the specific/exact term?

    Anyway, as I said before, it's all relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Wouldn't note would be the general term and pitch be the specific/exact term?

    Anyway, as I said before, it's all relative.
    Yes it would be and it would provide all of us a better reference of exactly what the pitch is the sound is relatively.

    For example, 27.5lbs has a note of around "E" when freshly strung.

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    I think string thickness (more precisely linear density) and length of string between the ends of the frame would alter the pitch of the sound, since the frequency of the sound depends on the tension of the string, its linear density, and its length.

    Maybe badminton strings are pretty similar in thickness and frames are similar in diameter so those may be negligible.

    I think in general the sound is a rough indication of tension though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrati...cy_of_the_wave

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Yes it would be and it would provide all of us a better reference of exactly what the pitch is the sound is relatively.

    For example, 27.5lbs has a note of around "E" when freshly strung.
    Pitch is the main frequency of the sound, and note is the name given to that frequency.
    Last edited by Green72(CAN); 03-22-2008 at 02:16 PM.

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    Lightbulb Oh Well...!

    Craziness isn't and hasn't ever been my forte, but what the heck!
    I just tested the panda's ting-ting-ting-ting against my piano

    25/26 is almost exactly C
    27/28 is close to C-Sharp
    29/30 is almost exactly D
    31/32 is close to D-Sharp

    PS: Strumming would've given a better sound
    This hit-hit-hit-hit creates an unusual timbre

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    I'm wondering if anybody has ever tried to make a tune out of badminton string "tings" (what I am saying - this is BC: of COURSE you have!).

    Something simple to start with. The 5-note "Pentium" theme, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Craziness isn't and hasn't ever been my forte, but what the heck!
    I just tested the panda's ting-ting-ting-ting against my piano

    25/26 is almost exactly C
    27/28 is close to C-Sharp
    29/30 is almost exactly D
    31/32 is close to D-Sharp

    PS: Strumming would've given a better sound
    This hit-hit-hit-hit creates an unusual timbre
    Just curious what string and racket is this? It seems like the tension is significantly off since 25/27 and 25.5/27.5 is an "E" for me, therefore it is much higher than the 31/32 as listed as cloee to D#.

    My C# would be around 23/25 or 22.5/24.5.
    Last edited by Matt; 03-22-2008 at 08:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Craziness isn't and hasn't ever been my forte, but what the heck!
    I just tested the panda's ting-ting-ting-ting against my piano

    25/26 is almost exactly C
    27/28 is close to C-Sharp
    29/30 is almost exactly D
    31/32 is close to D-Sharp

    PS: Strumming would've given a better sound
    This hit-hit-hit-hit creates an unusual timbre
    I agree in general with OldHand's finding. I just want to add 1 more thing. Different thickness string will have 1/2 note to full note different depend on what string is used. A BG65 at at same tension is about 1 note lower than BG85. Also, a better way to ping the string is by using another racquet, not your palm.

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    You missed it, didn't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Just curious what string and racket is this? It seems like the tension is significantly off since 25/27 and 25.5/27.5 is an "E" for me, therefore it is much higher than the 31/32 as listed as cloee to D#.

    My C# would be around 23/25 or 22.5/24.5.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Craziness isn't and hasn't ever been my forte, but what the heck!
    I just tested the panda's ting-ting-ting-ting against my piano

    25/26 is almost exactly C
    27/28 is close to C-Sharp
    29/30 is almost exactly D
    31/32 is close to D-Sharp

    PS: Strumming would've given a better sound
    This hit-hit-hit-hit creates an unusual timbre
    In Dink-Dink's video, all the racquets are the Yonex Ti-10.
    The string is Ashaway Micro Power (it's in his first post)

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