Misbun Sidek, a great player?

**Pemuda** · 12-26-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by alfa-2

[shoutings, clappings, whistlings.........] as our beloved stirrer of BC entered this thread.........

Thank you thank you. It is good to have a court jester to announce my arrival.

**Pemuda** · 12-26-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah

Ages is the factor to made a judgement? How would u judge Thomas Alva Edison? Was he a great inventor in the world? Based on your theory, you can do the judgement here coz u r not even born at that time.

Bro, dont go so far back to Thomas Edison, pjswift dont know who that Edison chap is. Stick to something current preferably from the early 60s to present day. I am sure she know who is Jack Neo of 'Money No Enough' is though.

**Pemuda** · 12-26-2008, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by koo_fan

Brother,We can just tell that he was absolutely WRONG.

Pemuda,change the word 'great player' to 'greatest player.'
Misbun maybe wasnt the best among the best but he is a great player.
How should we denied that?

Misbun Sidek a great player??

Ok, lets look at a few shuttlers in Misbun's era i.e Han Jian, Yang Yang & Morten Frost. These guys have won the WC, AE etc then while Misbun did not. If we say Misbun is a great player then these guys are super super great players??

Lets not abuse that word great.

**cooler** · 12-28-2008, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

Dear pjswift,

True, true I have never had the chance to see Misbun Sidek as a player. In the same vein, I have also never seen Pele, George Best, Franz Beckenbauer in action but are they legends in football. I will say yes without a doubt. Just in case you dont know or unaware, there is such a thing called research. To help you a little, there are history books. But if reading is not something for you, try this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misbun_Sidek

After looking at Misbun's achievements, to consider him as a great player is stretching things a little.

Based on your little theory, if anyone asked you whether Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr were great men are you gonna say you dont know because you have never seen them in action or were still in your little pram especially for Martin Luther King Jr's case??

You dont even need a math or curiosity test for this, just an application of elementary logic will suffice.

if lcw win the 2009 MAS open, he would tie misbun's record of 6 MAS open titles.

**chris-ccc** · 12-28-2008, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by cooler

if lcw win the 2009 MAS open, he would tie misbun's record of 6 MAS open titles.

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Incorrect... In 2008, LCW already surpassed Misbun Sidek's record of 6 MAS MS National titles in a row.

In 2009, LCW will be going for his 8th MAS MS National title in a row.
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**Pemuda** · 12-28-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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Incorrect... In 2008, LCW already surpassed Misbun Sidek's record of 6 MAS MS National titles in a row.

In 2009, LCW will be going for his 8th MAS MS National title in a row.
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Excuse me, this thread is about Misbun Sidek

**chris-ccc** · 12-28-2008, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

Excuse me, this thread is about Misbun Sidek

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This should be addressed to cooler for bringing in LCW into this thread.
I was just correcting his error in his post.

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**Pemuda** · 12-28-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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This should be addressed to cooler for bringing in LCW into this thread.
I was just correcting his error in his post.

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cooler is flexible however you insist on the strict observance of the specified thread. In the LCW fan thread, when others talk about LD, LYB how come I dont see you with your 'This thread is for LCW's fans'?

Lets be consistent, shall we? And this is after all a Misbun Sidek's thread.

**chris-ccc** · 12-28-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

cooler is flexible however you insist on the strict observance of the specified thread. In the LCW fan thread, when others talk about LD, LYB how come I dont see you with your 'This thread is for LCW's fans'?

Lets be consistent, shall we? And this is after all a Misbun Sidek's thread.

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Correct ... Because cooler usually insisted on bringing Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei into all threads in Badminton Central, BCers cannot help but to comment with his 'flexibility'.

My comment here is that Misbun Sidek has lost his record of holding 6 consecutive MAS National titles, which cooler thought Misbun remains holding it.

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**Pemuda** · 12-28-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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Correct ... Because cooler usually insisted on bringing Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei into all threads in Badminton Central, BCers cannot help but to comment with his 'flexibility'.

My comment here is that Misbun Sidek has lost his record of holding 6 consecutive MAS National titles, which cooler thought Misbun remains holding it.

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Thats what makes this forum interesting. Discussions can expand into another sub topic or various sub topics. As long as we leave our those vulgarities, I believe we are ok.

***Oldhand*** · 12-28-2008, 08:15 PM

Folks, this sort of exchange is eating into my few hours of year-end free time!
Is it that difficult to stay away from addressing the poster rather than the post?

**cooler** · 12-28-2008, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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Correct ... Because cooler usually insisted on bringing Lin Dan and Lee Chong Wei into all threads in Badminton Central, BCers cannot help but to comment with his 'flexibility'.

My comment here is that Misbun Sidek has lost his record of holding 6 consecutive MAS National titles, which cooler thought Misbun remains holding it.

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r u the new forum moderator?
i did brought up lcw but a point was made in reference to misbun, so it was NOT off topic. Here is my main point, LCW, like misbun, won all his significant titles on home soil. That's was my real reason for posting earlier.

When did i talked about LD here?
My first post here is #38, WHILE YOUR FIRST POST IS #3, AND U WERE THE FRIST ONE WHO TALKED ABOUT LCW

**cooler** · 12-28-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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Incorrect... In 2008, LCW already surpassed Misbun Sidek's record of 6 MAS MS National titles in a row.

In 2009, LCW will be going for his 8th MAS MS National title in a row.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Chong_Wei

can u count them for me

if wiki is incorrect, be my guess to make the correction.

**badMania** · 12-28-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

My comment here is that Misbun Sidek has lost his record of holding 6 consecutive MAS National titles, which cooler thought Misbun remains holding it.

From wikipedia:
Despite Lee's recent difficulties in international play, he recorded his seventh consecutive victory at the National Badminton Grand Prix Final in Kedah on December 12, 2008, defeating Chong Wei Feng 21–11, 21–13, thus breaking the record of six consecutive titles set by Misbun Sidek.

As for the Malaysia Open title,
Lee Chong Wei has only won it for 4 times (04, 05, 06, and 08). He still has plenty of work to do if he's to match Wong Peng Soon's record of 8 MAS Open titles.

As for Misbuk Sidek, he won the Malaysian National Championships 6 times, a record which had been beaten by his disciple as the quote in the wikipedia suggested. I don't think Misbun himself had won any Malaysia Open titles, let alone 6 titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Open

However, Misbun's brother, Rashid Sidek won the titles from 1990-1992.

**badMania** · 12-28-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by cooler

if lcw win the 2009 MAS open, he would tie misbun's record of 6 MAS open titles.

Just a reminder, perhaps you should re-read that wikipedia link you posted?

Even if Misbun Sidek had won the MAS Open titles 6 times (when in fact he has none at all), Lee Chong Wei will have to win the titles 2 more times to equal that "false record" since Lee clearly won it only for 4 times (and not 5 times as suggested by your post) by just doing a simple counting of the record in the wikipedia

In case I am wrong on Misbun Sidek's Malaysia Open record, perhaps abedeng can correct it for me. But at the moment, Misbun Sidek had 0 MAS Open title, and not 6 as suggested by cooler.

If you are referring to the MAS National Championships, then surely, chris_ccc's post is absolutely correct and spot on

Lee Chong Wei will be going for his 8th National title next year

Unless of course, I have problems in my counting or the wikipedia is incorrect

**cooler** · 12-28-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by badMania

Just a reminder, perhaps you should re-read that wikipedia link you posted?

Even if Misbun Sidek had won the MAS Open titles 6 times (when in fact he has none at all), Lee Chong Wei will have to win the titles 2 more times to equal that "false record" since Lee clearly won it only for 4 times (and not 5 times as suggested by your post) by just doing a simple counting of the record in the wikipedia

In case I am wrong on Misbun Sidek's Malaysia Open record, perhaps abedeng can correct it for me. But at the moment, Misbun Sidek had 0 MAS Open title, and not 6 as suggested by cooler.

If you are referring to the MAS National Championships, then surely, chris_ccc's post is absolutely correct and spot on

Lee Chong Wei will be going for his 8th National title next year

Unless of course, I have problems in my counting or the wikipedia is incorrect

4,5,6 etc, we all counted wrong but my point was, lcw and misbun's titles are similar, won mostly at home.

**chris-ccc** · 12-28-2008, 11:43 PM

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Let us return to talk about Misbun Sidek.

I had to opportunity to watch Misbun playing in Melbourne, Australia, when he arrived here to participate in the 2002 World Masters Games.

Every participant at the Games said that Misbun is a 'Great' Badminton player.

Yes... Whatever we think or say is usually influenced by others. But sorry, I just cannot stop debating with BCers who think that Misbun is not a 'Great' player.

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