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Thread: LD vs. LCW (unforced errors)
04-03-2008, 10:01 AM #18
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04-03-2008, 11:22 AM #19
Misbun also saw LHI with Li Mao there could read LCW's game, and said must find strategies to counter it. Although LCW won the match against LHI in MO 2008, on another day, LHI could have won.
Last edited by eaglehelang; 04-03-2008 at 11:24 AM.
04-03-2008, 11:39 AM #20
04-03-2008, 11:50 AM #21
04-03-2008, 11:57 AM #22
1. The line judges were well neutralised by the umpire.
2. LD held 4 matchpoints but actually had more than 6 opportunities to win the match yet couldn't because LHI was mentally too strong for him.
3. Looking at the match as a whole, LHI outsmarted LD.(because physically LHI couldn't match LD)
Now when it came to AE and SWO,it's LHI's 3rd and 4th tournaments so he lost to fatigue and his lucky opponents got the credit.
04-03-2008, 12:04 PM #23
04-03-2008, 12:38 PM #24
04-03-2008, 12:40 PM #25
I didn't forget what you said. I disagree with what you said. If one player changed his whole game plan because one or two overruled bad calls, I would say he is mentally weak -- Because discarding your effective gameplan usually costs you more points. I don't that LD is mentally that weak.
Furthermore, what I said is LHI did very well in the following two games. Just watch the games. You can't deny that LHI did very well in games 2 and 3. His shots are effective in moving LD around and his attack/defence are good. So even if he lost, he would lose closely. Also notice that although LD knew what Korean line judges are like (in other words, he knew bad calls are highly likely to happen -- what he surely didn't know is that most of them will be overruled ), he made a show at the very first bad call. I would say it's all mind game. LD is not some newbee who would panick and change his whole game-plan because of a few overruled line calls.
FYI, LHI said himself that he panicked in AG SF after the 3:21 first game but stayed calm in KO08, and that made a big difference in his performance in later games.
Of course it is possible that one player did well against tough opponents but badly against lesser ones. You prepare better when facing tougher ones. And that's why there are dark horses.
Finally LHI out in AE08 and SW08 doesn't mean he cannot beat LD. PSH lost to all kinds of players, but he beated LD fair and square in China.
04-03-2008, 12:42 PM #26
04-03-2008, 12:45 PM #27
04-03-2008, 01:14 PM #28
Misbun's words seem like "excuses" to me.
Let' review the 1st half of the 1st game. Bold: LCW's unforced errors.
1st pt(0:0): LD 1/4 smash and LCW returned it into the net.
2nd pt(0:1): LCW cross-court fast-slice-drop >1 feet out.
3rd pt(0:2): LCW straight slow-(slice?)-drop 1/2 feet out.
4th pt(0:3): I think this point reveals something. LD did a very good flick serve and get a very weak half-court return from LCW. However LCW returned well LD's smash (first in this match) and finally forced LD to play a quick backhand which went out.
5th pt(1:3): LD great deceptive push to the deep forehand corner.
6th pt(1:4): LD's net too good for LCW to kill.
7th pt(1:5): LCW returned very well LD's first power smash and managed to get a very weak reply after a few drives. But hit the shuttle into the net.
8th pt(1:6): LCW's punch clear to LD's deep backhand corner (Note: this is the kind of shot LD likes most) intercepted by LD and LCW failed to return the sudden smash.
9th pt(1:7): LCW great return of serve, but LD finally managed to make an OK return. LCW's push to deep corner was out.
10th pt(1:8): LCW forehand half-smash out.
11th pt(1:9): LCW horrible return of serve killed by LD.
12th pt(1:10): LCW great follow-up of smash.
13th pt(2:10): LCW good follow-up of smash but cross-court net-play into the net.
Frankly, I don't see any "strategy" can force LCW to make errors like those above.
Furthermore, I think LCW clearly out-played LD in the 4th, 7th, and 12th points; LD clearly out-played LCW in the 5th, 6th, and 8th points. So at least for the first half of the first game, I don't think LD's "new strategy" is the main contributor to the 11:2 scoreline.
04-03-2008, 01:23 PM #29
I think the key is whether LD changed his game plan right after the 1st or the 2nd overruled bad calls. I don't think he did.
The last call may affect the result of the match, but it doesn't change the fact that LD and LHI were pretty much evenly matched in games 2 and 3.
04-03-2008, 01:45 PM #30
04-03-2008, 03:19 PM #31
Oh, btw, not sure if you have the time or not, but do you mind taking a look at my badminton playing video and critique my play. I know you'll probably fall asleep, but if you can point out, the same way like you did after watching LD vs. LCW's video, where i made my unforced errors and see if i possibly might've lost my confidence in my play...
Last edited by ctjcad; 04-03-2008 at 03:22 PM.
04-03-2008, 08:29 PM #32
That's the player's reason, if he said that to print media, it would have been seen as 'excuse', worse excuse than the "new style" reason Misbun gave.
04-03-2008, 09:32 PM #33
04-03-2008, 09:37 PM #34
Don't aim for the lines
The pros are skilled enough to hit with a high degree of accuracy.
Shift the target area inwards by a few centimetres and no line-judge can get you
PS: The more brazen calls (like the wide one against Flandy & Vita) will simply get overruled as the line-judge's 'mistake' would be too obvious.
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