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    Question Releasing the draw on the eve of a Badminton tournament

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    Greetings,

    I have just received this news released today, Saturday 5-April-2008:

    Releasing the draw on the eve of a Badminton tournament

    Perhaps, our members here at Badminton Central can vote on this practice suggested by the Badminton World Federation (BWF).

    Poll: Releasing the draw on the eve of a Badminton tournament:
    (1) Vote for it
    (2) Vote against it


    Below is the article saying that BWF is wishing to try it.

    ====== ====== start article ====== ======

    Saturday April 5, 2008
    The Star

    Badminton: A first for ABC meet
    By Rajes Paul

    PETALING JAYA: For the first time ever, shuttlers competing in the Asian Badminton Championships (ABC) will not know who their opponents are until the eve of the tournament.

    This is because the draw for the ABC meet, scheduled to be held from April 15-20 in Johor Baru, will only be conducted during the team managers' meeting on April 14.

    The ABC is the last tournament offering Asian players the chance to win Olympic qualifying points.

    Yesterday, Badminton Asia Confederation (BAC) chief operating officer (COO) Karen Koh said that they decided to hold the draw a day before the tournament to make it more exciting.

    Another reason was to avoid changes and replacements in the draw due to last-minute withdrawals.

    “Sometimes, re-draws have to be done because the seeded players withdraw at the eleventh hour. This time, the draw will only be done after the team managers have confirmed their players’ entries,” said Karen. “We are trying this out for the first time in a BAC tournament after the executive council gave us the nod. We also asked the hosts – the BAM (Badminton Association of Malaysia) – and they agreed, saying it was a good idea.”

    “The draw will be conducted during the team managers’ meeting and everyone will get to see how it is done. This will leave no room for people to question the validity of the draw.”*

    Karen said that this (releasing the draw on the eve of a tournament) could become a permanent practice in the Badminton World Federation’s (BWF) Super Series events if the badminton fraternity welcomed it.

    On the entries of the players for the ABC, she said the list would be released today.

    “The world's best will be coming to Malaysia to compete in this meet. We are determining the seedings of the players based on the latest world rankings. The BAC will release the full cast tomorrow,” she said.

    National No. 1 Lee Chong Wei, who is aiming to regain the title which he last won in 2006, will spearhead Malaysia challenge.

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    What do you think and how would you vote?

    Perhaps kwun could organise a poll on this issue.

    Cheers... chris@ccc
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    Last edited by chris-ccc; 04-05-2008 at 02:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post

    What do you think and how would you vote?

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    Oh, I've forgotten to mention how I would vote.

    Yes, I would vote for it...... that is, to hold the draw a day before the tournament. It should be more fun and more exciting to hold the draw a day before the tournament when all the players, coaches and team managers are there in attendance.

    But for members@Badminton Central playing our Sandy's PAW games, it would be chaotic I suppose.

    So sorry that Sandy's PAW games is now in jeopardy.
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    I vote for a "yes..i think it's a good idea.."=)

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    I just commented ...I discussed this with one of BWF official regarding making draw at the eve last year for SS.

    a. Qualifiers
    Instead of placing Q1 vs Player...it is better to draw on the spot after getting all qualifiers like Tennis.

    The issue with BWF is that many players who under RESERVE may not go to the tournament as they do not know who will withdraw from Main and qualifying as well..

    I suggested that if there are more players withdraw then we will have Lucky Losers..just like in Tennis...especially for last minute withdrawal.

    Then he mentioned that another problem for players or their federations is getting visas as well as booking the ticket and find out later that he/she could not play...

    Thats the issues...any suggestion to solve it?

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    Same here. A yes on this one. More exciting and less issue related to players faling out because of different reasons. Makes the tournament go much more smoothly.

    Huang's right... new issues popping up.
    Last edited by Fengwei; 04-05-2008 at 08:25 AM.

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    This is definitely not a good excuse for a poor planning and execution. As we have seen in many Asian tournaments (GP India is a very obvious one), Asian organisers need to learn a lot from their Europe counterpart.

    Till now, we still do not have the list of players for Asian Championship published, while Euro has finalized the draw.

    Even smaller tournament like Polish & Finnish Open can do much better than them.

    Asia is the powerhouse in the game, but a sloppy organizer in general. That contribute to the lower status of Badminton compared to Tennis.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post

    Then he mentioned that another problem for players or their federations is getting visas as well as booking the ticket and find out later that he/she could not play...
    And why they cannot play? Do they find out they cannot play after the draw is made?

    Only injury is the legitimate excuse once the association has decided to send a player.

    We've heard of players not being able to get visas but really, let's face it, that's really poor preparation by the team manager or the team coach confirming entries very late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    And why they cannot play? Do they find out they cannot play after the draw is made?

    Only injury is the legitimate excuse once the association has decided to send a player.

    We've heard of players not being able to get visas but really, let's face it, that's really poor preparation by the team manager or the team coach confirming entries very late.
    What I mean is if the draw is made within a day...reserve players do not know whether they will make it into the draw or not ..especially after manager's meeting...The Manager meeting usually starts 5 pm on Monday ..so reserve players should be there at the host's country...what happens if no one withdraws...so money spent on reserve players are wasted....thats the concern from federation especially for asian players where to get European visas need one week to 10 days...
    Visa for UK alone costs INA players Rp 4 million rupiahs or US$ 370 per person.

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    in tennis, you take your chances...if you get into qualifying alone...it may pay off your expenses..it will work well if the prize money is getting bigger and bigger..

    I think it will benefit more to the host...becasue if main /qualifying players can not play then reserve from hosts more likely will fill in....

    Thats my 10 cents..hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Oh, I've forgotten to mention how I would vote.

    Yes, I would vote for it...... that is, to hold the draw a day before the tournament. It should be more fun and more exciting to hold the draw a day before the tournament when all the players, coaches and team managers are there in attendance.

    But for members@Badminton Central playing our Sandy's PAW games, it would be chaotic I suppose.

    So sorry that Sandy's PAW games is now in jeopardy.
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    In some post I wasn't agree about centralize drawing who held a long time before the tournament started.

    In PAW WTA (when I run it for 4 years), Drawing held mostly in Friday for Qualifying and Saturday for Main Draw. Qualifying started to play in Saturday and 1st round started from Monday.

    It wasn't a big problem for PAW and I vote Yes

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    I voted " YES" but I think we need to make the rules clearer...I still love the concept though

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    Question Perhaps it is harder to organise tournaments in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by hhs1000 View Post

    This is definitely not a good excuse for a poor planning and execution. As we have seen in many Asian tournaments (GP India is a very obvious one); Asian organisers need to learn a lot from their Europe counterpart.

    Till now, we still do not have the list of players for Asian Championship published, while Euro has finalized the draw.

    Even smaller tournament like Polish & Finnish Open can do much better than them.

    Asia is the powerhouse in the game, but a sloppy organizer in general. That contribute to the lower status of Badminton compared to Tennis.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Hi hhs1000,

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I found that there are more players withdrawing from Asian tournaments at the last moment compared to from European tournaments.

    It must be because there are more Asians playing in Asia than in Europe. Asian players are known for withdrawing at the last moment.

    Perhaps it is because of this that it is harder to organise tournaments in Asia.

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    Thumbs up Not a big problem for our PAW games

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post

    It wasn't a big problem for PAW and I vote Yes


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    This is good news for all our PAW games.

    Actually, with fewer withdrawals, fewer amendments are required from our PAW players.
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    Last edited by chris-ccc; 04-05-2008 at 12:40 PM.

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    yup, i agree it's worth a try. as long as the draw is done fairly, which i'm sure it will be, then nobody should have any complaints.

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    Good idea. It defintely has more advantages than disadvantages.

    (+) It avoids or minimises redraws. For instance, some players choose to withdraw after receiving a unfavorable draw if the draw is done much earlier.
    (+) It ensures more balanced quarters caused by last minute withdrawal by seeded players.
    (+) It guarantees certain degrees of suprises in terms of draw.

    (-) Baddy enthusiats have to wait longer before the draw is released.

    Just my 2 cents...

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    Exclamation The Poll Results after the first 20 votes

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    The Poll Result after the first 14 hours (20 votes);

    It's a good idea...... 80.00%
    Not welcomed....... 20.00%

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    Welcomed for big events like Super Series and Worlds and Olympics but other than that not welcomed, maybe not even for Super Series. Big federations can probably afford to take the risk but smaller ones surely can't.

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