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    If I order restring, would I say 24lb? Will they string 23x25lb or 24x24? If it is one piece stringing with electric machine, is it 24x24lb? Any distortion with electric machine?

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    I have not read all the 255 previous posts in this tread but I'll post my observations anyway.

    Did a little experiment last week. I usually string my raquets 21x23 (if a yy cab) or 22x24 (if a yy iso). Just for fun I strung a cab 21 at 22x22. Heres what i found out: It feels much harder than 21x23. It actually feels like I put in about 3 lbs more. The "ping" sound is almost gone and it feels a bit dead when I play. The head is a few mm distorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxp74 View Post
    I have not read all the 255 previous posts in this tread but I'll post my observations anyway.

    Did a little experiment last week. I usually string my raquets 21x23 (if a yy cab) or 22x24 (if a yy iso). Just for fun I strung a cab 21 at 22x22. Heres what i found out: It feels much harder than 21x23. It actually feels like I put in about 3 lbs more. The "ping" sound is almost gone and it feels a bit dead when I play. The head is a few mm distorted.
    I believe what you're experiencing (the distortion in frame shape) is mostly due to the design of the carbonex racquets (cab 21 in your case) which is of a tear shape compared to the isometric frames which are more square.

    I have tried 30x30lbs compared to 30x31lbs before using the same stringing configurations and string and I have not noticed any difference in the frame shapes of both (both racquets are the same brand and model). Interestingly the tension also doesn't feel too different, although the 30x30lbs racquet definitely felt a little more loose (the palm-hitting sound was also lower pitched) and the tension loss after a while was more compared to the 30x31lbs racquet.

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    This might be a stupid question, but what if a stringer string the racket opposite in tension? such as owner wants 24/26 but the stringer strung 26/24 (26 on main and 24 on the cross).

    What substantial damage would that cause to the frame?

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    Are there any difference in power, control and feeling when someone string the racquet more tension (lbs) on the main then the cross?

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    There should be no difference at all. But if it was different, it'd be around .1% different. It's just to make the tensions the same overall to protect the shape of your racket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radicalrev View Post
    This might be a stupid question, but what if a stringer string the racket opposite in tension? such as owner wants 24/26 but the stringer strung 26/24 (26 on main and 24 on the cross).

    What substantial damage would that cause to the frame?
    It could deform the racket head and increase stress on the frame, that way it would be easier to break. Good way to find out is measuring your rackets unstrung first and then check if they are deformed substantially (more than ~1-2mm). If they aren't, there's no higher risk of breakage imop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erictung View Post
    The guy that I buy my rackets from is an experienced badminton player that has his own shop. (With this, I'll assume he really knows his stuff, or at least really well)

    He says where the hell did I get the +2 lb pounds on the cross from and he said it'll deform the frame, I tried to tell him what kwun said but he said that's for tennis rackets only since they're larger and able to hold better tensions.

    Does it actually deform the frame? o__o
    Depends on the frame and the machine - normally, it keeps the frame from deforming. Although I once noticed a racket deform a bit with increased cross tension (-2/3mm in width), so I took the string off after a few days to avoid stressing the frame too much (or, god forbid, breaking it). But normally, my rackets keep their shape with increased cross tension.
    If you're nervous about it, you could perhaps string with same tension on mains&crosses and double-pull the crosses (as the weaving decreases the tension by ~1-2lbs), could be a hassle on a crank machine though...

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    How is the hit feeling of the same main/cross vs. +2 on the cross?
    How is the power of the same main/cross vs. +2 on the cross?
    Does the same main/cross have bigger sweetspot?
    Last edited by frostcone; 05-18-2011 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frostcone View Post
    How is the hit feeling of the same main/cross vs. +2 on the cross?
    How is the power of the same main/cross vs. +2 on the cross?
    Does the same main/cross have bigger sweetspot?
    Well ideally, they both have the same characteristics - on some machines, you just need to add some tension on the crosses to get a consistent result, on some you don't.
    If I add too much on the crosses, it feels weird - harder, and less powerful. Probably because the mains do not add much to the 'trampoline' as they add less force when stretched by the same amount as the crosses.

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    Now days for graphite rackets, same tension is suffice. IMO. Still my string breaks at horizontal part.

    Those days when you have metal rackets like cab 8, then you may consider having 2lbs extra just to keep the shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    Now days for graphite rackets, same tension is suffice. IMO. Still my string breaks at horizontal part.

    Those days when you have metal rackets like cab 8, then you may consider having 2lbs extra just to keep the shape.
    It depends on the machine you're using - on machines with good 6-point support, no extra tension is needed. If the support is not so great, a bit of extra tension is needed to bring the racket back to it's original shape.
    Some players just like the feel added tension on the crosses gives them, one example would be Marc Zwiebler. According to Dinkalot he has his Arc7 strung with 35x37lbs, even though the ES5Pro has GREAT support. As a result, the racket is deformed slightly, but if you're sponsored like he is, you probably won't worry.

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    Interesting.... I hope your 6pm and 12pm handles are locked properly.

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    just got my apacs T200 4u and was going for 27/30lbs with yonex bg85 titanium (according to the stringer bg66 can only last a 1-2 games with such tension, is that right?). is it the right specification for stringing i have always string at 27/27lbs. this is the 1st time i try this type of stringing but the stringer sort of hinting to me there'll be problem with this type of stringing but he'll only tell me what is it when the problem occur. just making me nervous here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quintesson View Post
    just got my apacs T200 4u and was going for 27/30lbs with yonex bg85 titanium (according to the stringer bg66 can only last a 1-2 games with such tension, is that right?). is it the right specification for stringing i have always string at 27/27lbs. this is the 1st time i try this type of stringing but the stringer sort of hinting to me there'll be problem with this type of stringing but he'll only tell me what is it when the problem occur. just making me nervous here.
    It depends on how clean you hit - the BG66 is really not the most durable string, but if you hit cleanly, it can last a while. I had one on my Z-Slash for 3-4 weeks @27lbs, playing 2 tournaments (XD/MS and XD/MD) and training with it. On my BS09, it held about the same time (27lbs again).
    Then again, I'm not much of a hard hitter and manage to hit pretty cleanly^^

    Anyway, as mentioned before - it depends on the machine. If your stringer uses one that has weak/bad support, he has to add some tension on the crosses to restore the original frame shape (as the mains will shorten it, making it wider).
    On my machine, I only sometimes add 1lbs when I string at 27+ to make up for friction loss on the cross tension. Depends on the racket and how quickly I work.

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    Both my stringer have a very strange tension. When I want 22, he make 18 near the frame and increase to 20 and 22 in the middle. They say this way makes the sweet spot larger. They have string for many years and the never string +2 in the cross. Have ask other stringer in Sweden and they never string +2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaisilk View Post
    Both my stringer have a very strange tension. When I want 22, he make 18 near the frame and increase to 20 and 22 in the middle. They say this way makes the sweet spot larger. They have string for many years and the never string +2 in the cross. Have ask other stringer in Sweden and they never string +2.
    It also makes the strings much softer. The tension will eventually even out and it'll be much softer than intended. If you want a larger sweetspot, just pick a lower tension. There is the idea of keeping the tension proportional to the string length, but that is hard to do, takes a lot of time, and will eventually even out. In the end, the most accurate and reproduceable way to string is to keep the same tension for all mains/all crosses.
    If they string professionally or at least a lot, they should have a machine with good support and dont need to add tension on the crosses.

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