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    Question A coach using a fake racket???

    me and my mates and some of the family members play badminton 2-3 times a week in our local leasuire centre. there is a coach there who does badminton training for the local kids. so i saw him 1 day while me and the lads were playing so asked him what racket does he uses. he told me he gets the fake yonex from ebay & restrungs them. i was a little bit shocked to hear that!!!!!!! didnt say much after that.

    i was just thinking what kind of example is he leaving for the kids by usuing fake rackets. did any of u come accross this kind of situation????

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    I've come accross with coaches using not fake, but cloned racquets..

    Ashaway *something*.. a green racquet, a copy of a Forza racquet.. though it's a clone, it performs EXTREMELY well with PG66N..

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    i reckon as long as he's not trying to sell them to the kids as the genuine article, what he uses himself is his own preference. you're looking to the coach to teach you technique, not the concepts of right or wrong in the marketplace.

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    dreamz no doubt ur right there for sure about coaching and techniques but my only concern is if any of the kids asks abt his racket and he says that he is usin fake or colned yonex what kind massage would he be sending out to the kids???

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    it'll send out the msg that kids should not be playing with $300 racquets

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    haahhahahaha nice 1 moggy ahahahaahah

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    That you can be pro without some fancy high end racket.... techniques is very important.

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    The coach is paid for teaching the technique, and the students attend the session to improve their games. The racket issue is some "additional" factors, which students should know how to distiguish, and make their own decision about whether to follow or not.

    If you pick a coach purely (or, mostly) from the skill and experience of teaching, you might ignore the racket factor. If you do care about the character, you have your choice pick another individual instead.

    In the most ideal society, we can claim the coach violating the law, and can call a cop on him. However, the society is far from ideal, and it's your call for your own action. You might want to stay away from him, if you don't feel comfortable about his behavior.

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    I just want to add a few points to Master LB post.
    1) Usually a coach has some connection to some manufatures. They can be Yonex, SOTX, Victor, Wilson, MMOA etc. They can order racquets and equipments cheap (free racquet quota) from them. So there is no need for a coach to go cheap and use a fake racquet.
    2) If a coach is using a fake racquet, it is likely he/she is not experience enough to tell real vs fake. If the coach is knowingly using a fake is this case, what is stopping him selling fake one and not telling the student the "whole truth".
    3) If a coach can not get the freebies from manufacture by opening an account, I question if the coach is good enough.
    4) A good coach can charge good price and he/she has no need to use a fake racquet.

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    my coach himself is sponsored by yonex but he knowingly bought himself a fake yonex racquet just cause he wanted to see what it was like. He restrung it and sometimes when we coach some of the city programs he uses it. ive also coached using that racquet before nothing bad about it. When people attend lessons there there for the technique, not really what racquet the coach is using cause honestly racquet doesnt make that much of a difference i have coached with many different racquets from low end to high end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentheart View Post
    I just want to add a few points to Master LB post.
    1) Usually a coach has some connection to some manufatures. They can be Yonex, SOTX, Victor, Wilson, MMOA etc. They can order racquets and equipments cheap (free racquet quota) from them. So there is no need for a coach to go cheap and use a fake racquet.
    2) If a coach is using a fake racquet, it is likely he/she is not experience enough to tell real vs fake. If the coach is knowingly using a fake is this case, what is stopping him selling fake one and not telling the student the "whole truth".
    3) If a coach can not get the freebies from manufacture by opening an account, I question if the coach is good enough.
    4) A good coach can charge good price and he/she has no need to use a fake racquet.
    silentheart, I agree with you to a certain extend, but in the UK and escpeially in Hong Kong, a lot of badminton coaches do not have connections directly to the manufacturers, since factories do not sponsor coaches, they mostly sponsor competitive teams and players. Usually these 'coaches' have connections with shops, so they can get discounts for rackets, for obvious reasons, since they can always 'recommend' his/her students to buy their equipment there. Coaches don't usually 'sell' rackets' to their students, technically speaking, at least I have not seen one around me. I think 90% of badminton learners know where to get their rackets and stuffs nowadays.

    But I must say it is a bit doggy for a coach to use a fake racket, of course, it does not matter unless he/she gives the wrong information to the students. So I don not see any problem with that.

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    colekwok,
    thank you for pointing out the different business practice between different region.

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    silentheart, you are the 'oldhand' here! But yeah, I also find that there is a huge difference between the badminton culture in Hong Kong and the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colekwok View Post
    silentheart, you are the 'oldhand' here! But yeah, I also find that there is a huge difference between the badminton culture in Hong Kong and the UK.
    Or in other word,between the west n the east badminton culture..

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    Exclamation The technique is more important than the racket, when playing Badminton

    Quote Originally Posted by riz125 View Post

    there is a coach there who does badminton training for the local kids. so i saw him 1 day while me and the lads were playing so asked him what racket does he uses. he told me he gets the fake yonex from ebay & restrungs them. i was a little bit shocked to hear that!!!!!!! didnt say much after that.

    i was just thinking what kind of example is he leaving for the kids by using fake rackets. did any of u come across this kind of situation????

    .
    That coach was probably saying..."It is your technique, and not your racket, which is more important when playing Badminton".
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    Quote Originally Posted by colekwok View Post
    silentheart, you are the 'oldhand' here! But yeah, I also find that there is a huge difference between the badminton culture in Hong Kong and the UK.
    If you are compare me with our wonderful mod "oldhand", I am honored. If you refer to some thing else, I would say I am just a dirty oldman.
    I am very surprised that in UK, the coaches are not as tightly connected with any equip supplier. Sure they moust have some connection to shop or club to get them good deal like you say. But from my understanding is any legit coach (in US, CAN and EU) can apply for an account with a major manufacture (ie. SOTX, Victor, MMOA or the evil empire) and get the equipments at very good discount.
    It is same as for Wilson, Prince or Babolat in tennis. There is additional bonus if you push a lot of racquet.

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    The situation in Hong Kong, being at the doorstep of China's massive racquet manufacturing plants, may be different re so called counterfeit (better term than fake) Yonex racquets. Hong Kong is also a redistribution center for top end and counterfeit racquets. Even ex-champions are directly or indirectly involved in this. Many coaches supplement their coaching fees income with racquet, shirts, shorts, socks, grips, stringing machines, and stringing, etc sales/income. Like an entrepreuner they sell in volumes and that means inexpensive racquets that are extremely good value for money. Therefore counterfeit racquets are their stock-in-trade in addition to the top labels/brands. Their supplies are mainly from sports shops/stores. Their costs will depend on their volume. Top coaches who coach for a few schools sell in large volumes and their costs are lower than other coaches. School coaches can sell racquets in batches of hundreds.
    Shops and retailers make very little from selling Yonex racquets, with some shops making just HK$20 from selling say an AT900P. If a shop were to sell nothing but high end Yonex racquets it will go broke in one day of operation.

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